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DSFL Rulebook - ErMurazor - 10-29-2017
http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=...indpost&p=84984
The above is in the rule book but I don't see a reason WHY it should be. The only thing that make sense here is TTC. A new guy NOT getting TPE for tasks they did just doesn't seem right to me.
Every time a new recruit joins during the playoffs we point them toward the Ultimus PT. Can anybody explain why this exists? It seems 100% the opposite of what we'd want.
@Ballerstorm @Sweetwater @AsylumParty @7hawk77 @`Dermot`
DSFL Rulebook - kckolbe - 10-29-2017
SHL is kinda the same. It's to limit the advantage of joining early.
DSFL Rulebook - PDXBaller - 10-29-2017
This rule negatively affects players @JKortesi81 and @JohnWachter. Both players are new, active rookies and we should encourage them to participate in the league by allowing them to earn TPE from their activities.
Their eagerness to be active should not be discouraged by this rule and it would be a shame to see their hard work go to waste because no one has enforced this rule or made them aware of it when they participated in the activities or purchased equipment.
DSFL Rulebook - dustyatters - 10-30-2017
I updated three players who fell under this rule, and most of the TPE lost was on equipment which is easily able to be earned back. The money they spent can just be used instead on S4 equipment which will cost the same amount and give the same bonus so really there's no difference. I think it would have been really unfair if some people would have been able to get double the TPE on equipment then me just because they joined earlier.
DSFL Rulebook - JohnWachter - 10-30-2017
To add to this: when I joined I was told by multiple people to participate in the ultimus PT, I spent a good amount of time doing research so I felt I actually earned my points instead of just throwing together some bs. Purchasing the equipment was probably wrong on my part, especially since it was in a grey area between seasons, but I was just anxious to get going early. Plus I can just get refunded the money and do the same purchase.
My point is, though I may be bias, I don't think it's a good move to take away something someone rightfully earned just because they aren't on a team yet, especially when they're under the impression they should get involved from the get-go. I actually saw someone ask if they could participate even though they just joined and someone (I don't remember who, sorry) told them it was encouraged.
On the flip side, if you told them up front I think you'd lose members anyway. If I joined and knew I had to wait a couple weeks to do anything I'd likely just forget I even signed up and never return anyway. I think I understand why the rule is in place, but really, how relevant is it currently? Aside from a player or 2 joining a bit earlier than people, you have people mostly joining at the same timeframe and some were just more active than others to get a couple extra TPE.
I don't want to overreact, because I can understand both sides, but just getting your points taken away kind of puts a negative vibe out instead of feeling rewarding and making you want to put in more work. Just my two cents.
Edit: Dusty replied at the same time as I was typing. I have no issue with returning my equipment and buying it again, I think I touched on that above but can't remember for sure. I understand that part of it, just not the Ultimus part since we pretty much all joined in time to do it.
DSFL Rulebook - sapp2013 - 10-30-2017
I was hesitant to purchase anything and do PTs and other things, however, I asked people on discord and they said just to do them anyways. I did earn and was updated for the TPE that I received. When I first came here I specifically stayed away from those because of that rule. I think that we should just get rid of the rule so to keep people invested in the league. If TPE was taken away from players, it should obviously be given back.
DSFL Rulebook - dustyatters - 10-30-2017
(10-29-2017, 11:10 PM)sapp2013 Wrote:I was hesitant to purchase anything and do PTs and other things, however, I asked people on discord and they said just to do them anyways. I did earn and was updated for the TPE that I received. When I first came here I specifically stayed away from those because of that rule. I think that we should just get rid of the rule so to keep people invested in the league. If TPE was taken away from players, it should obviously be given back.
I agree on you with everything except for equipment. I think you and the other two I updated should be given all TPE back and then just repurchase equipment as part of S4 but I also kind of understand why the rule is in place.
DSFL Rulebook - JKortesi81 - 10-30-2017
I was encouraged to do everything I could by fellow members when I joined. PTs, predictions, ultimus week, and even to buy equipment since "you're playing games, why wouldn't you wear equipment in them?". One member even pointed out to get my S3 equipment so I could get more in S4.
I mean, had I not been able to do that stuff when I first started I probably would've lost interest sitting around for weeks. But instead I was typing stuff, having fun with my player writing about him, and most importantly, I learned about the league, having to look through the index and check out games and players and stats for some PTs or predictions.
and not once did anyone stop and say "hey you can't do these" as they were graded and put into the claim threads. Instead I was applauded for my efforts and for being active. I was encouraged to do more by the community like I said.
I get not being able to do training camp, since that's at the start of the season and whatnot. But anything else that went live Since we became a member? Should be allowed. It's kind of common sense.
People being essentially punished because they joined earlier than others isn't their fault. This isn't like the SHL where new players are either forwards or Defensemen and it gives a distinct advantage because there's only 5 players on the ice. There's so many positions and different things going on here in the NSFL that it doesn't have to be as restricted and can be more fun.
DSFL Rulebook - kckolbe - 10-30-2017
(10-29-2017, 10:16 PM)dustyatters Wrote:I agree on you with everything except for equipment. I think you and the other two I updated should be given all TPE back and then just repurchase equipment as part of S4 but I also kind of understand why the rule is in place.
Equipment stacks, so losing out on S3 equipment can't be replaced.
DSFL Rulebook - 37thchamber - 10-30-2017
(10-30-2017, 06:00 AM)dustyatters Wrote:I think it would have been really unfair if some people would have been able to get double the TPE on equipment then me just because they joined earlier.Is it unfair that some players get an extra week of training TPE because they joined a day earlier?