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*S12 NSFL Awards Candidates - majesiu - 01-12-2019
(01-12-2019, 07:29 PM)manicmav36 Wrote:I agree, it does seem odd giving the same player the award 2 seasons in a row, but he did go from 14th in receiving yards to 2nd... whereas Fyodorovich (who you have on the list) only went from 4th to 1st. Gore is an inactive in his 6th year and Wachter is an inactive in his 7th year so I have a hard time justifying giving them the award. Christ and Rax are good picks though.
Yeah makes sense, I'll add him, and just as said at the start I had really hard time coming up with players for it.
*S12 NSFL Awards Candidates - majesiu - 01-12-2019
(01-12-2019, 07:52 PM)Jiggly_333 Wrote:I feel like none of these awards matter anymore after Tegan getting snubbed in the S8 Breakout Player Award because people wanted to be an asshole about her eligibility.
Interesting take from Awards Head Committee, but I agree that bias and pettiness too often come into play into awards, HoF deliberations. Maybe start demanding at least small justifications for each nominee to prevent that?
*S12 NSFL Awards Candidates - majesiu - 01-12-2019
(01-12-2019, 09:49 PM)nunccoepi Wrote:This doesn't seem right. L'Alto has given up 3 sacks in his entire career.
I'm seeing in the index that L'Alto has 44 pancakes and 1 sack allowed this season.
Also put some respeck on @37thchamber's name as GM of the liberty
..... as terrible as they are
Harp stats leaked into yours, sorry for that corrected.
I put the respeckt, fwiw I was looking at mods for each team forum and Liberty as has adam2552 and I was without my morning coffee. I love 37th and he definitely deserves mention there as well as for MDM actually, with index hosting and wiki work he does.
*S12 NSFL Awards Candidates - majesiu - 01-12-2019
(01-12-2019, 11:45 PM)YoungTB Wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Adams played a lot of snaps lined up as a receiver, and OCO basically played an air raid offense. When you take that into account, his year isn't all that impressive. He was a WR that basically took snaps at RB some times. As a pure RB, Brown was one of if not the best in all three major categories, rushing, receiving, and blocking.
Agree to disagree. We don't have WR/RB combo mix Award and Adams still rushed the 5th most in the league, as well as his position in the index is FB. I felt like he was more impactful, especially with his fantastic efficiency. Brown may have had raw numbers, but it's also my personal take that Liberty should start trusting Falconi more and put her in a more favorable position, especially with growing receivers corps. I feel like basketball comparison of Jerry Stackhouse in '01 vs Vince Carter from that year is quite good. Jerry had more PPG, but there isn't a shade of the doubt Vince did it on better efficiency and was a better player. Sorry for other sports reference, but it was the first thing that popped in.
*S12 NSFL Awards Candidates - iseedoug - 01-12-2019
Horne has played on the DLine for every snap this season, he should be in the Dline excellence talks despite not officially changing positions.
*S12 NSFL Awards Candidates - majesiu - 01-12-2019
(01-13-2019, 01:46 AM)iseedoug Wrote:Horne has played on the DLine for every snap this season, he should be in the Dline excellence talks despite not officially changing positions.
I honestly don't have a clue how to assess that without some precedent from the past - should he be in Defensive Lineman conversation or the linebacker one? Did we had any situation in the past?
But even if I feel Horner was a step behind Brock and Angus with 40 tackles, 9 TFL, 4 Sacks and 14 PD. Definitely worth a mention though and the PDs are really impressive for playing as DL.
*S12 NSFL Awards Candidates - Jiggly_333 - 01-12-2019
(01-12-2019, 06:58 PM)majesiu Wrote:Interesting take from Awards Head Committee, but I agree that bias and pettiness too often come into play into awards, HoF deliberations. Maybe start demanding at least small justifications for each nominee to prevent that?They don't let me do shit. I just announce the awards. Technically Dwyer is the head.
Also, the reason why she was snubbed was because they said that she had a position change that offseason; but my argument is that she was nowhere near the top of the CBs, but had made it to the Top 5 in WRs when she switched.
*S12 NSFL Awards Candidates - majesiu - 01-12-2019
(01-13-2019, 02:32 AM)Jiggly_333 Wrote:They don't let me do shit. I just announce the awards. Technically Dwyer is the head.
Also, the reason why she was snubbed was because they said that she had a position change that offseason; but my argument is that she was nowhere near the top of the CBs, but had made it to the Top 5 in WRs when she switched.
The same could be said for Fyodorovich last season, but I didn't even bother arguing it.
*S12 NSFL Awards Candidates - majesiu - 01-12-2019
Also because @Leafer is molesting my DMs Roenick won't make it (not like he had a shot at winning)
*S12 NSFL Awards Candidates - speculadora - 01-12-2019
I like the idea of this article. I think I disagree with a few but I love discussing this so here is a ballot I threw together with some comments.
Defensive Rookie - Charlie Trout
easy decision, runner up for me would probably be Beau Montgomery over Dan Schneider despite the sacks lead.
Offensive Rookie - James Bishop / Dick Wizardry (unsure)
on the one hand Wizardry had more total yards and TDs, but Bishop was the second option on his team, touched the ball way less often, and still managed a top level WR season.
Kicker - Neo Donaldson
I think this one is pretty easy. Donaldson missed three kicks all season, led the league in FG%, and was 11/11 from 40+
Punter - Kulture Fulture
separated by less than a yard per punt average from other leaders but had the highest percentage of I20 punts and the most overall.
Returner - Howard Miller
I don't think any of the guys who also returned punts hold enough of an advantage in that area to beat Miller's 30+ yard return average.
Defensive Back - Andre Bly / Blackford Oakes (unsure)
this is tough. it basically comes down to two turnovers vs two touchdowns. I *think* I'd lean toward the touchdowns but I'm really not sure.
Linebacker - Mason Brown
I think you snubbed Toasty a bit in this article. Brown forced 6 turnovers to Trout's 0. Trouts advantages are 2 sacks and 9 pass deflections. as solid as those numbers are, I don't know that they equate to six turnovers so I lean toward Brown. very impressive that Trout is in this conversation as a rookie, though. and one last note, we can't discount Mills. He didn't have any sacks but forced 6 turnovers as well and had a big lead over the other two in tackles even if that's less important.
Defensive Lineman - Brock Weathers III
pretty easy one once again. Lo Rax came very close but in the end Weathers had the better numbers all around.
Tight End - Verso L’Alto
easy decision. L'Alto was the best in basically every stat.
Wide Receiver - Vladimir Fyodorovich
another easy one. did something that was only done twice when passing as a whole was much more prevalent and in an era where no team was truly trying to be bad or complacent with being bad.
Runningback - Marquise Brown
in the end this award is running back of the year and we used Adams in more of an all-purpose role. I don't think that erases his candidacy and I would like to point out that although we used him differently he touched the ball 60% of the times that Brown did. even if he had averaged 5 yards per catch (easily a league worst) he would have posted approximately 72% of Brown's yardage production meaning with a similar number of touches he would have still easily outproduced Brown.
Quarterback - Childish Gambino
Excellent season even if he was on an offense that didn't rely on him as much as NOLA or OCO did their QBs. easily the most efficient so I don't think there's a good argument to snub him here.
Breakout - Damien Arnold
I don't know if you included Arnold in your list but he went from 1 INT to 6 INT and 3 TDs. We can dismiss that a lot of it came against PHI in their blowouts but that wouldn't be fair to the role Arnold played in those games.
GMs - San Jose Sabercats
Even though we had a great season, SJS made an amazing turnaround and CK + Andrew did an excellent job seeing an opportunity and going for it with the Penningtons trade that was highly criticized at the time.
Offensive Player - Vladimir Fyodorovich
Not going to rehash how good his season was here. Only reason I wouldn't vote him for MVP is because of NOLA's poor performance as a team.
Defensive Player - Mason Brown
To me this is either DBotY winner, Trout, or Brown. I already said I'd go Brown over Trout and I believe that Brown's turnovers+sacks combination will get him the award.
MVP - Ricky Adams
It's likely that I wrestle with this decision from here on but Adams was a huge part in our success and led all players in all-purpose yards and (edit) was 2nd in all-purpose touchdowns. with not outstanding QB performance to swoop in, I just see Adams as the best candidate here with team success playing a role.