(09-18-2019, 12:31 PM)IsaStarcrossed Wrote:The failure comes in HO's lack of communication and overall instruction to people being given new abilities and roles. I've seen at least a half dozen players who have mod abilities say since last night that they either had no idea that their abilities showed IPs or that it would be against the rules to post a screenshot containing those IPs. Most of them said something along the lines of "thank god Butter did it before I made that mistake". And that is just those who have come out and said anything about it. Did Butters break a rule? Yes. Should it be a rule? Yes. Should the punishment be so harsh that it potentially pushes a player inactive when no one actually knows the rule even exists? Absolutely not.

The lack of any real training for these guys is every bit a failure on HO and stuff like this needs to be taught and mentioned when new, young players get these roles. There is no reason anyone should be making comments along the lines of "they gave me permissions and said good luck". That. That is failure on HO.

(09-18-2019, 01:37 PM)Dylandeluxe Wrote:I feel that the point of my post was missed. And that is unfortunate.

(09-18-2019, 01:45 PM)ADwyer87 Wrote:i mean, I find two major flaws in this line of reasoning. The first is that HO didn't hire Buttersquach, the RM head did. Why should we be responsible for "training" him? This is one of the biggest annoyances that I have with HO, if anything goes wrong it is hit as our problem. You dont have xbox live go down and think "man fuck Bill Gates". We hire job heads for the EXPRESS reason that we cant afford to micromanage every part of this league, I already sacrifice so much time that if i was to do what you mention, I would have no time to do anything other than this league, and would still probably fall short of the expectations you are laying out here.

secondly, since im saying this is the job of the RM head: why? Job heads are there to tell people how to do their jobs, not to walk them through the rule books. To use as an example, let's say sweetwater hires a sim assistant, and says "hey i need you to sim this week because i'll be out of town" and walks him through how to do it. Then the sim assistant rigs the sim and gets caught. sim assistant comes out and says "oh man, no one told me i couldnt rig the sim!" Would that count as a failure of sweet as a simmer? I think that would be silly to assume.

HOs job is to make sure we have rules, not to make sure you read them. could we make the rulebooks nicer? yeah we could. but if something is in there, and you didnt know that, i mean, i cant do anything about that

(09-18-2019, 01:47 PM)ADwyer87 Wrote:i think i see the point, i just dont agree with it

also with the two things you said above. I leaked my own IP. I was not aware of this, but this is not in violation of anything. This is for other members, not your own. And with numbers, if you're talking about what I think you are, he was already punished for that with this same exact punishment

(09-18-2019, 02:49 PM)Dylandeluxe Wrote:Again the title of this post was supposed to be a bit click baity but it is not my intention to attack HO, I just want to open the line to discuss how we might avoid a future situation like this.

(09-18-2019, 01:49 PM)Dylandeluxe Wrote:We are not saying you have to micro manage training but what I am saying is that training could be built one time and distributed by the heads of whatever department it is. Department head can say "Welcome to your new role, review this first please before doing anything" And at that point the person is 100% liable for any abuse or rule they break.



I acknowledge that it probably wasn't a rule violation, just that it might not set the best example. 

I looked and didn't see any correlating punishment but I could have missed it.

Again the title of this post was supposed to be a bit click baity but it is not my intention to attack HO, I just want to open the line to discuss how we might avoid a future situation like this.

(09-18-2019, 02:10 PM)ADwyer87 Wrote:I mean I suppose we could make a base line training here, but it seems like the issue here, if i'm reading this right, is that we didnt tell them that a rule was in the rulebook. What would the training for any job like this be to fix this? The only two things i can think of is either link everyone who gets a job the rule book, which doesn't seem like much, or we would have people walk new job members through each and every rule in the rule book to make sure they dont break any rules, which to me seems like total overkill.

Also, these issues seem to be framed as a job issue, but the rules apply to everyone, so if thats the case then we should either be sending links to every new member with a link to the rule book, or walking every new member through every rule. The former we sort of do already, we send everyone a link to the rookie guide, and that has a link to the rule book. The latter i feel like would be a good way to get rookie mentors to go insane and get many new members not to join. thats just my opinion

(09-18-2019, 02:01 PM)Frick_Nasty Wrote:I do not know bout you but calling someone a hypocrite is pretty attacking of a mans character in my book.

(09-18-2019, 02:18 PM)Dylandeluxe Wrote:It could be something as simple as having a thread that say "DylanDeluxe has been selected for *insert role here* by responding to this post DylanDeluxe acknowledges the responsibilities that come with mod powers and has reviewed league rules" . . . You could add a similar disclaimer in the Rookie Guide saying "That by creating a new player you are acknowledging that you have read the league rules"