(03-09-2020, 04:53 AM)Fordhammer Wrote:Juni is position switching. Give our GMs a little credit to know not to take the position we have absolutely zero need of at #3 haha.

(03-09-2020, 12:07 PM)Vorshayla Wrote:Still a reach, you could have grabbed him a few rounds lower and still gotten him to position switch and grabbed or traded down from 3.

Especially if he was position switching, that's inside info that only you knew at the time.

(03-09-2020, 11:29 AM)Hallmonitor_20 Wrote:Also we tried to trade back multiple times to grab a 2nd round pick as well but things just didnt line up.

(03-09-2020, 09:33 AM)IsaStarcrossed Wrote:Exactly this. In most of these situations, if you have a guy you like then you have to buckle down and grab them. Trades don't come easy in the NSFL and more often than not, one team is giving up more than they'd like to get a trade done. In fact, most players have no clue exactly what kind of effort goes on across the board to make a trade happen. Its not always as easy as "Oh, I want to trade this pick. Give me what I want for it." The deeper the draft, the harder it is to trade picks as well. At the end of the day, you have to weigh your values on a player and if you don't think you'll get a second chance at them, get them when you can.

(03-09-2020, 05:53 AM)thevoicelesscreator Wrote:Orange County Otters (B-): 

It’s not often that you have the first OA pick and draft as poorly as the Otters have here. I gave them a B-, because the amount of talent they did manage to add to their team. However, if I were Otters management, I see this nothing more than an F.

Quote:At number 1 Overall of the S21 NSFL draft, the Orange County Otters take Prince Vegeta. He was my #1 player coming into the draft, and it’s gratifying to see him taken at that, if nothing just for the honour of it. However, in terms of fit, I think this wasn’t the one. Prince Vegeta is a great run tracking safety, and very good at hitting very hard. However, what the Otters needed is a safety that could stop the pass as well as the run. While Vegeta is capable of it, it would actively take away from his skillset to play him in a role that forces him into a pass coverage role more often than not.
With Doofus Jimbo “retiring”, and Gary Lazer-Eyes moving into the defensive end position, Tyrone Biggums will have to slide into the Free Safety role to accommodate Vegeta, or he will have to play that role himself. Either way, it doesn’t match. Great player, bad pick.

Quote:With the 13th pick of the draft, the Otters took defensive tackle Rapid Eagle. This is one the pick that I did like. Eagle is a very hard-working player, and he will be a starter on week one.

Quote:With the 23rd pick, the Otters would end up taking Wide Reciever Remon Kurisuto. They lost Tyler Oles to retirement this offseason, and Kurisuto will make a great 3rd receiver. My main gripe is that Jerome Davis was taken only four picks higher than this. With two picks in the 3rd round, if I see Davis hanging around 18, 19, 20, I’d trade up and get him. The margin between the two is quite high in Davis’ favour, and having him taken 4 picks before is a little more salt in the wound.

Quote:Just three picks later, the Otters take Larry Longshot, defensive end. I can see the logic here. With Mbanefo entering what is likely his last year, the Otters likely wanted to add a developmental prospect to the team and did so with Longshot. I have several gripes with this pick as well. First off, the Otters are NOT short on DE talent. They have depth in the bushels. What they do lack is actual skill in the position. If you ask me whether I’d take 3 back up defensive ends, or 1 starter, I’d pick the starter every time. Perhaps Longshot can be that in time. However, this feels like a reach and a miss. Secondly, if they really wanted a defensive end prospect, Chip Otle was taken 22nd overall by the San Jose Sabrecats. After seeing Jeff Personsacker go off the board at 21, they had to have known Chip Otle wasn’t too far behind. I’m not saying that San Jose would have actually traded them the pick, but you have to think the 23rd and 46th pick likely would have gotten them up one spot to take Chip Otle.

Quote:At 35OA, the Otters take Ryan Scott, a linebacker they desperately need to help fill out the secondary. Great pick at face value, but this a straight miss. Perry Tucker Jr went at 30 overall, which they could have taken at 25OA, and Gregor McGregor went 36OA (who was almost immediately flipped to the Yellowknife Wraiths an immense amount of value).

Quote:And finally, at 46OA, Orange County take offensive lineman Douglas Quail. While this is a great developmental player, the Otters needed to get good, or at least better soon. Quail wont be an impact player next year, that is certain. Down the line, for sure, but for the Otters who have done nothing but pick subpar? This wasn’t good enough.

(03-09-2020, 09:57 AM)scorycory Wrote:This is why teams trade with Chicago

(03-09-2020, 05:44 PM)speculadora Wrote:Hopefully this doesn't come off as me attacking you for this but I do want to point out a couple of things.

First off, the S archetypes are not different enough from one another to make some of the claims in the Vegeta pick review. There are some differences between them that give them different strengths, but saying we needed a S who can defend the pass assumes a specific player exists for this role, which is not really the case in our sim.

Also, just from a theory perspective, you ding us several times for not trading up, referencing that we had other picks available in the later rounds. But we could only have really done that once, and we would definitively have missed out on other valuable players in doing so. For example, Kurisuto vs Jerome Davis. Is 50 (or whatever amount) extra TPE worth not picking up more DL depth, which we desperately needed? By the time these respective players hit their peaks, that difference - if it still exists - will be functionally meaningless. Effectively trading during the NSFL draft is difficult for this specific reason.

Anyway, I very much enjoyed your willingness to be legitimately critical of picks. So many of these sorts of medias will be like 'ugh, horrible draft. B+'. Hopefully none of the rebuttals from teams discourage you from continuing to do this, though. This is just the nature of criticizing something that someone else is happy about.