(03-16-2020, 04:33 AM)Raven Wrote:I think looking at it historically, OL was never a position of high retention. Perhaps the stigma against it never helped, but at the same time we had no one who broke the mold of it being a position of low tpe IA's.

Articles like this will show people that while it's not a flashy stat full position, you have value for your team by adding a big % of win by being a human OL so that great

(03-16-2020, 11:26 AM)iStegosauruz Wrote:Thats part of the reason I wanted to look into this. @yonggarius just wrote an article that analyzed the S22 draft class size as it pertains to the open roster spots in the league. You can check that here for reference.

One of the things he identified is that we're starting to run into an issue with having enough roster spots for the "max" and "semi-max" earners in the DSFL. His solution to this is expanding the cap and expanding the league - both of which are viable solutions worth debating.

I think studies like the one I just conducted though show we can open up another 19 slots in the league if we replace all bot offensive tackles with human offensive tackles. Thats a challenging goal because its definitely not the sexiest of positions for a new player, however there is an incentive that if you can make it to that 200TPE benchmark you're essentially replacement value of the 550TPE bot and thus probably end up with a roster slot and contributing to the league. A roster slot seems to be of increasing value as they get squeezed by the increasing sizes of rookie classes.

(03-16-2020, 01:26 PM)iStegosauruz Wrote:Thats part of the reason I wanted to look into this. @yonggarius just wrote an article that analyzed the S22 draft class size as it pertains to the open roster spots in the league. You can check that here for reference.

One of the things he identified is that we're starting to run into an issue with having enough roster spots for the "max" and "semi-max" earners in the DSFL. His solution to this is expanding the cap and expanding the league - both of which are viable solutions worth debating.

I think studies like the one I just conducted though show we can open up another 19 slots in the league if we replace all bot offensive tackles with human offensive tackles. Thats a challenging goal because its definitely not the sexiest of positions for a new player, however there is an incentive that if you can make it to that 200TPE benchmark you're essentially replacement value of the 550TPE bot and thus probably end up with a roster slot and contributing to the league. A roster slot seems to be of increasing value as they get squeezed by the increasing sizes of rookie classes.

(03-16-2020, 06:49 AM)Raven Wrote:There are def places up for grabs, but we need people to want to play OL to fill in those spots. However stats like this could def help towards that goal as it shows the importance a human OL can bring.

Luckily the issue of roster spots in the DSFL is only an issue for a season or two, but it's still a issue for sure. NSFL expansion will help after s23, but still leaves s22 with a problem. So perhaps a DSFL expansion is needed for next season if the numbers keep up to high next season.

(03-15-2020, 11:15 PM)caltroit_red_flames Wrote:I know that, the problem isn't with the sim or the current OL configuration of weight/TPE. The issue is with GMs and people like Dermot saying human OL is bad for their team/the league and discouraging users from making them or asking them to position switch.

(03-16-2020, 06:15 AM)TomHanks Wrote:Amazing stuff! Hopefully this helps breaks the OL stigma.

I'd be interested in seeing how much having high TPE OTs help now that you've established they're good at a low TPE, if you'd be interested in looking into that as well. Great work!

(03-15-2020, 09:15 PM)caltroit_red_flames Wrote:I know that, the problem isn't with the sim or the current OL configuration of weight/TPE. The issue is with GMs and people like Dermot saying human OL is bad for their team/the league and discouraging users from making them or asking them to position switch. And we're seeing that change thanks to the fellas at New Orleans, Tijuana and Myrtle Beach but there are still holdouts. It's the stigma.

@iStegosauruz you are a legend. This data and writeup are going to be cited for a long long time. I hope you get a huge bonus for the all of the time you put into this.