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*Flawed Regression - Baron1898 - 04-14-2020
(04-14-2020, 06:04 PM)BigKicks Wrote:While that's an idea, it's my belief that regression should be equal among all users. If this were to be implemented, users with 200 million could pay their way out of regression no problem and buy their way into a long career, but others who hardly make anything outside their contracts wouldn't be able to, even if they're a max earner. We should be rewarding activity, not money.Isa and infinite disliked this post
*Flawed Regression - iseedoug - 04-14-2020
While I am all for long careers, including kickers, if there are major changes to the regression format it will make comparing players across the history of the league even harder. So I am against making changes. But I also think this flaw you point out is interesting.
Also I think you should retire now because the kicking record will be mine.
*Flawed Regression - ADwyer87 - 04-14-2020
I think some of the numbers you said are interesting for sure and might need to be looked at
That being said, we essentially made regression so strict in the late game for this exact reason. Player turnover is a very healthy thing for the league. Football is hard to get exactly right on player career, because certain positions age very differently. But in general, after a certain healthy amount of time, we want people moving on to a new player. 15 season careers are something we didnt want when we made the regression rules.
*Flawed Regression - .Laser - 04-14-2020
I like this. I think that for position players it avidly stay the same, but look at Adam Vinateri. I think possibly changing the regression rules for just K and P may definitely be worth looking at.
*Flawed Regression - MrStennett - 04-14-2020
(04-14-2020, 06:34 PM)ADwyer87 Wrote:I think some of the numbers you said are interesting for sure and might need to be looked at
That being said, we essentially made regression so strict in the late game for this exact reason. Player turnover is a very healthy thing for the league. Football is hard to get exactly right on player career, because certain positions age very differently. But in general, after a certain healthy amount of time, we want people moving on to a new player. 15 season careers are something we didnt want when we made the regression rules.
Old commish admits to purposefully trying to ruin aging players’ careers. Someone write this article because, frankly, I’m too lazy to.
*Flawed Regression - Symmetrik - 04-14-2020
I think the inherent flaw in this post is that you treat it as though 13 seasons isn't already a very long career. You start regression after 7. That means you can fight regression to almost DOUBLE your career length. That's a long career already.
*Flawed Regression - AdamS - 04-14-2020
(04-14-2020, 03:17 PM)iseedoug Wrote:While I am all for long careers, including kickers, if there are major changes to the regression format it will make comparing players across the history of the league even harder. So I am against making changes. But I also think this flaw you point out is interesting.
Also I think you should retire now because the kicking record will be mine.
You basically already cant compare players across league history. Early QBs had it easy as fuck. Super early dline put up impossible numbers. Early cbs are fucked. The greatest TE of all time actually played Slot WR a solid chunk of the time. Early rbs are super fucked. Team construction is off. Human oline players will never achieve records that are still being built by bots that are never retired.
And about 2/3 of players straight up get to have more games to accumulate.
Like...I just dont see this as a good reason to stop anything when it already is an impossible task.
*Flawed Regression - BigKicks - 04-14-2020
Before people start going at one another, let me point out that I've said that while there's flaws in the way regression is done, it doesn't mean that it's not working. In fact there's not really much of a problem at all since no one is benefiting from it. I just noticed that the rules allow for 15 seasons, but in actuality only 13 is possible.
*Flawed Regression - infinitempg - 04-14-2020
(04-14-2020, 04:54 PM)siddhus Wrote:What if we did, for a certain amount of money, u could decrease a certain % of ur regression
@IsaStarcrossed can we hire him to be our lobbyist that's how real laws work anyways
*Flawed Regression - iseedoug - 04-14-2020
(04-14-2020, 07:23 PM)AdamS Wrote:You basically already cant compare players across league history. Early QBs had it easy as fuck. Super early dline put up impossible numbers. Early cbs are fucked. The greatest TE of all time actually played Slot WR a solid chunk of the time. Early rbs are super fucked. Team construction is off. Human oline players will never achieve records that are still being built by bots that are never retired.
And about 2/3 of players straight up get to have more games to accumulate.
Like...I just dont see this as a good reason to stop anything when it already is an impossible task.
I guess that's a good point. I'd very much like it to all be comparable but there have been quite a few changes over the years.