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*The Case for Bringing Back Weekly Predictions - Billybolo53 - 06-16-2020
Beautiful proposal.
I would have loved to have some sort of investment in the last Wraiths game vs Baltimore. Those crazy upsets mean so much more when you have a prediction on the line.
Trivia is just a glorified activity check. I am curious to hear from anyone that really enjoyed trivia or anyone that voted to keep predictions over trivia.
If people are worried about missing predictions, I don’t see why we can’t have the whole weeks predictions released on Monday. I’ve never had that issue personally so I can’t speak to that.
All in all great proposal. Thanks for doing the heavy lifting here. Very constructive.
*The Case for Bringing Back Weekly Predictions - Billybolo53 - 06-16-2020
(06-16-2020, 04:05 PM)ADwyer87 Wrote:How are predictions fun OR engaging tbh? dont get me wrong I would love to have them back bc i like them better than writing an actual PT, but they are afwul. my favorite part of being HO was getting the average of predcitions because they were so bothersome to keep up with. Heck i just realized if there was a week one prediction thread i didnt do it lol. its just a mess
In the Myrtle beach locker room everyone talks about who they picked and why. The debate is always fun and then watching the games is that much more intense.
*The Case for Bringing Back Weekly Predictions - Modern_Duke - 06-16-2020
People seem to only be looking at the maximum TPE, but not everyone is a max earner. I think the increased importance of PT and reduced importance of predictions hurts casual/steady earners a lot, as they are more likely to do predictions (which takes like 15 seconds to a few minutes if you want to do some research) rather than write a few paragraphs for PT
*The Case for Bringing Back Weekly Predictions - goodfortunecoffee - 06-16-2020
I really enjoy predictions more than any of the other tpe building tasks. I personally think HO will bring them back for every game next season, anyway. I really don't see how a little more extra tpe ruins the league, in the same way that having 16 games in a season versus 13 doesn't ruin the league either.
I know I'm not adding much anything new to the discussion, but just thought I should chime in. :peace: :peace: :peace:
*The Case for Bringing Back Weekly Predictions - Troen - 06-16-2020
(06-16-2020, 03:09 PM)Billybolo53 Wrote:I am curious to hear from anyone that really enjoyed trivia or anyone that voted to keep predictions over trivia.
I sometimes have a lot of fun with the trivia. The 'count draft picks who were picked with passes around them' one was kinda fun on the combination of novelty and history. The Gimmy one was fun due to the history involved. Other ones aren't fun because the forum search doesn't make it easy to find them or because there isn't a great wiki page for that year/draft/player/whatever.
That being said, I think predictions (and fantasy) are good ways to encourage you to care about the other teams. In my DSFL year I basically didn't care at all about the NSFL results outside of the prediction and fantasy implications. Is that bad? I don't know, but if it weren't for those I might have just ignored the results entirely.
*The Case for Bringing Back Weekly Predictions - FleshBagSoup - 06-17-2020
(06-16-2020, 03:25 PM)Modern_Duke Wrote:People seem to only be looking at the maximum TPE, but not everyone is a max earner. I think the increased importance of PT and reduced importance of predictions hurts casual/steady earners a lot, as they are more likely to do predictions (which takes like 15 seconds to a few minutes if you want to do some research) rather than write a few paragraphs for PT
Big agree as a casual earner. I almost never do PT's so i'm not fond of the change but in the end I don't really care too much. I do have a little fun doing trivia though if the answers haven't been passed out yet though.
*The Case for Bringing Back Weekly Predictions - infinitempg - 06-17-2020
(06-16-2020, 04:27 PM)ddrector Wrote:To break it down:
1. Predictions for every game
2. No more Trivia
3. PT goes from the new 4 TPE back to 3 TPE
Already did the math on this during the previous season. This was the alternate proposal HO was working with, essentially. I calculated using 75% prediction accuracy (un-rounded) and got a difference of +0.75.
Not to steal any credit from you or anything. But Head Office did discuss this during the offseason and we decided to go with Trivia. We will re-evaluate the situation in the offseason!
*The Case for Bringing Back Weekly Predictions - TropicaliaCC - 06-17-2020
(06-16-2020, 04:47 PM)Jo3fish5 Wrote:I’m not worrying about the extra tpe, predictions are fun and more engaging than trivia
Heck Trivia
*The Case for Bringing Back Weekly Predictions - ADwyer87 - 06-17-2020
just gonna address a few things in a carpet statement here then:
@Memento Mori and @Billybolo53 i guess ive never seen this kind of predictions engagement before? everyone i know or talk to its a chore, and makes it a bit harder for casual members since now you HAVE to be logging into the site and checking regularly. Even for non-casual members like I was as the commish it can be hard to set aside time to log in to the site every day. Maybe this is a new thing? I only bring it up because in my time with the league ive only seen a minute amount of people actually give effort with predictions, and even then ive never heard them say they find it fun. The vast majority of people i talk to either just copy someone else's predictions or are like me and just look at the teams and say "yolo". Maybe thats changed? just certainly hasnt been my past experience with not just me but others, and I havent seen any predictions discussion or excitement in the two locker rooms im in right now.
Billybolo again, I like the trivia because I think the history is interesting. Obviously as an old timer i love getting reminded of what happened in the past (usually hehe). But also I just dont see the issue with Trivia being a "glorified activity check." isnt that somewhat the point? on top of that, isnt weekly predictions just 3 separate "glorified activity checks"? I'm not against predictions to be clear, just prefer Trivia over predictions. But I just dont know why its a big deal if trivia is easy. Isnt this just a hobby? It always confuses me that a lot of people want to make money earning easier because this is just a hobby, even though its already so easy and broken that we've had multiple attempts to fix the money system this year, let alone our entire history, but then people see an easy PT to do and they want it removed. It just is confusing to me.
@goodfortunecoffee I could just be fear mongering here, I know I took this stance before and turned out to be wrong, but the issue with increasing TPE used to be just that we dont have enough TPE to spend things on, which is just a limitation of our sim. I know multiple max earners had told me before they get tired of earning because at some point it just doesnt matter any more, even ask around the league and many people will give you examples of high TPE not mattering, not even with max earners, with 700-800 TPE guys as well. I think the concern of adding too much TPE is just that outside of QB and CB, many players dont need very high TPE levels to max out their player in useful primary stats, like 400-600 i believe (someone can correct me if im wrong). I believe a majority of our league, not just max guys, reach those levels, so flooding the TPE market can be a risk since then you get to the point where like half the league or more is sitting there earning TPE with nothing to do but put it into like, kick power or throwing accuracy.
*The Case for Bringing Back Weekly Predictions - Memento Mori - 06-17-2020
(06-17-2020, 08:40 PM)ADwyer87 Wrote:just gonna address a few things in a carpet statement here then:You've not mentioned the objective measure of engagement again which I referenced in my previous post. More PTs = more time spent on the forums = more activity on the forums and all the other positive stuff it brings.
Memento Mori and Billybolo53 i guess ive never seen this kind of predictions engagement before? everyone i know or talk to its a chore, and makes it a bit harder for casual members since now you HAVE to be logging into the site and checking regularly. Even for non-casual members like I was as the commish it can be hard to set aside time to log in to the site every day. Maybe this is a new thing? I only bring it up because in my time with the league ive only seen a minute amount of people actually give effort with predictions, and even then ive never heard them say they find it fun. The vast majority of people i talk to either just copy someone else's predictions or are like me and just look at the teams and say "yolo". Maybe thats changed? just certainly hasnt been my past experience with not just me but others, and I havent seen any predictions discussion or excitement in the two locker rooms im in right now.
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Regarding the more subjective question of whether people enjoy it, they certainly talk about it a lot. This is the number of messages in my DSFL locker room with the word 'predictions' in, if we were to expand it to responses to these messages, messages about predictions that didn't refer to them specifically as predictions, people using the emote we used to use for predictions etc. it'd obviously be into the thousands. Maybe the users who've been around longer don't really care, but as the reactions on the forums and on discord have indicated, the newer users very much enjoyed the predictions PTs. To put it bluntly, there's more of us than there are of you and I'd rather see the league attempt to appeal to the huge number of enthusiastic new users helping to drive the league forward than to the old heads.
(06-17-2020, 08:40 PM)ADwyer87 Wrote:Billybolo again, I like the trivia because I think the history is interesting. Obviously as an old timer i love getting reminded of what happened in the past (usually hehe). But also I just dont see the issue with Trivia being a "glorified activity check." isnt that somewhat the point? on top of that, isnt weekly predictions just 3 separate "glorified activity checks"? I'm not against predictions to be clear, just prefer Trivia over predictions. But I just dont know why its a big deal if trivia is easy. Isnt this just a hobby? It always confuses me that a lot of people want to make money earning easier because this is just a hobby, even though its already so easy and broken that we've had multiple attempts to fix the money system this year, let alone our entire history, but then people see an easy PT to do and they want it removed. It just is confusing to me.I know this part wasn't directed at me, but one of the reasons trivia is a glorified activity check and predictions aren't is because for trivia there is one correct answer that you know is correct when you submit it and everyone receives the same amount of TPE as a result. It's an activity check where you paste some answers in a PM rather than just typing your player name. One of the stated reasons they kept trivia was for "variety", but trivia is actually very similar to another PT we have (activity checks) whereas predictions are unique in that they relate directly to upcoming/ongoing sims.