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The NSFL Media Problem - Starboy - 07-11-2020
(07-11-2020, 01:36 PM)37thchamber Wrote:Arguable. And tbh kind of offensive, since you're cheapening the creative work of plenty of people. Myself included.
...the idea that research is inherently harder than creativity is a slap in the face of any fiction writer on the planet.
I fell like you’re taking this article like more of a personal attack on players and their creative writing. I believe that it does take a bit more work in order to study and dig into the math before even getting to an article. I’m not saying that creative articles are not hard to write or that there isn’t effort put into the great stories that people write about their players and I want them to keep writing them. I feel that there just should be something more for those putting research into their topic and using analysis that takes some time over the fast stories that are made about players going out for hot dogs.
I do not mean to sound like I’m attacking creative writing or the player stories and apologize if you feel that way. The reasoning I have behind “cheapening the experience” of creative stories is to try and keep from having a crazy amount of not so creative stories written out there. There are some amazing player stories written by wonderful writers out there that I have no issue with that definitely add to the experience of the roleplaying part of the league. One suggestion I’ve seen was to pay out more for the statistical articles that require a lot of research which could be an idea.
Obviously I’m not a smart member of the league so my suggestion wouldn’t work at all but I wanted to give something instead of just complaining about a problem.
The NSFL Media Problem - roastfuego - 07-11-2020
(07-11-2020, 02:41 AM)Attopax Wrote:We all know that sports media has no qualms about reporting on the happenings in a player's personal life, opinions, etc., so I think should steer away from penalizing or cheapening mediia posts about non-game things, but I do think that we all would agree that we would not expect to see an ESPN.com article on Tom Brady's Beef Wellington recipe.
Hey I worked hard on that piece about peanut butter, banana and honey article and I will not tolerate not receiving my 500k for it!
The NSFL Media Problem - Starboy - 07-11-2020
(07-11-2020, 02:16 PM)Raven Wrote:...I think media writings about a users player and how they go about their day to day life are kinda a part of the soul of the experience. As been mentioned, for some people role playing is a big part when it comes to their player and while the statistical articles are fantasy and I applaud all the work people put into those kind of articles. I don't see why we have an issue with articles that are about a player who is a part of the league, but isnt related to the numbers of the sim.
Jiggly for example has always been someone who made entire stories behind their players, which hey not always related to howmany touch downs Jenkins scored that week for instance, but were still related to the player. Should that be seen as a lesser article than little timmy who writes about how his player scored 2 touchdowns that week? I dont think so.
I did not mean to sound like I don’t support players and writers with great back stories that put tons of effort into their articles. My suggestion isn’t one I suspect would gain any traction at all but I wanted to offer up a way, a bad one obviously but a way nonetheless, to possibly increase the desire for more numbers articles or something to get more players interested in the analysis side of the league. I understand that only the minimal number of people are even remotely interested in that stuff but I was thinking of something in a quickly written article. One thing I have seen was to increase the payout for statistical articles while keeping other media the same. While I doubt that gains any momentum, my main gripe was articles that are long winded articles that don’t address some major back story or analysis and are just short money grabs about not much.
The NSFL Media Problem - gucci - 07-11-2020
This whole debate is dumb imo. If people put in the effort to write for this league, they should be paid. Watching the media team nitpick through users posts for areas where words are repeated because they’re using a format to rank, mock draft, or review players is exhausting. Telling people they can’t write about their player’s off the field experience is just as ridiculous.
Media graders, if you don’t want to read stories that aren’t directly league related, then don’t. Copy/paste them into your word counter and tally up how much they should be paid. Y’all take this too seriously. The point of media is to give league members a reward as well as a creative outlet. Y’all are warping that goal.
The NSFL Media Problem - SwagSloth - 07-11-2020
I also tend to focus a lot of my media on character backstory / development, but I think there's a way to tie it into the league and/or the game of football itself. I don't read every media article and I'm a bit more out of touch at this point, so I can't say whether many media articles do or don't do this, but I know it was a common trend in the past and I would hope that is still the case. I do remember seeing an article recently about a group of players playing D&D and I think that those types of "out of the box" articles can help break up the monotony, so I like leaving room for that, but I imagine the goal would still be to have football be at the core of most media.
The NSFL Media Problem - Raven - 07-11-2020
(07-11-2020, 09:55 PM)Jackets28 Wrote:I did not mean to sound like I don’t support players and writers with great back stories that put tons of effort into their articles. My suggestion isn’t one I suspect would gain any traction at all but I wanted to offer up a way, a bad one obviously but a way nonetheless, to possibly increase the desire for more numbers articles or something to get more players interested in the analysis side of the league. I understand that only the minimal number of people are even remotely interested in that stuff but I was thinking of something in a quickly written article. One thing I have seen was to increase the payout for statistical articles while keeping other media the same. While I doubt that gains any momentum, my main gripe was articles that are long winded articles that don’t address some major back story or analysis and are just short money grabs about not much.
I get you. I could be wrong, but don't good statistical articles usually already get a bonus on top? I think that's also just a general media thing, as long as an article isnt some over the top dramatic piece, it doenst get much traction. Which is just an inherent flaw of the media system, and I say this as someone who rarely looks at media besides if my team or my player gets mentioned (which I bet goes for a ton of people), but luckily we don't base it around how many responses someone gets.
While the longer winded articles about someones new cat might be fluff to the charachter development or just a cash grab, as long as there has been put some effort into the article I am oke with those. We shouldnt be giving money to people who hit the 'suggested word' option on their phone 200 times, but anything decently written should just get paid.
I didn't mean my response to be an attack, but rather my 2 cent.
The NSFL Media Problem - Starboy - 07-11-2020
(07-11-2020, 03:08 PM)Raven Wrote:While the longer winded articles about someones new cat might be fluff to the charachter development or just a cash grab, as long as there has been put some effort into the article I am oke with those. We shouldnt be giving money to people who hit the 'suggested word' option on their phone 200 times, but anything decently written should just get paid.
I didn't mean my response to be an attack, but rather my 2 cent.
I agree with that. Not sure about the added bonus but I’m fine with the lovely stories that can be made. Apologies for responding like you attacked. Just having to defend the point from a few that took my article a bit differently that what I intended and a text conversation on this is hard to gauge all responses’ intent