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GFX Pay Changes - Sanctus - 07-24-2017
Personally I think this is unfair for a few reasons. The first is all of us rookies just signed three year contracts. Some of us would have worked out different deal if we knew that our way of income was going away to be changed. I think it's already basically impossible to be a max person with only graphic and now pay was lowered.
I don't even know what a flame decal is and that's considered low quality well I'm done. I spend time in paint blending colors and making number changes to match me. I don't use other software I don't know how.
I also noticed the bonus is just made up opinion and I saw how the media bonus was done and it was not fair. People right quality piece but them teammates of the graders get enough money to get out of negative for no real reason and that's from a former teammates that j liked.
I guess I will go look at how the other league I get pms about does money. It think they at least have a system for free points for no money.
Also how many people were ever fined in old system. If paint was so shit I never got a warning on things I just get it banned out right. Now if you have no graphics skill and are poor writer you better be in the ole boy clubs to get jobs.
GFX Pay Changes - dave - 07-24-2017
(07-24-2017, 07:44 PM)Sanctus Wrote:Personally I think this is unfair for a few reasons. The first is all of us rookies just signed three year contracts. Some of us would have worked out different deal if we knew that our way of income was going away to be changed. I think it's already basically impossible to be a max person with only graphic and now pay was lowered.
I don't even know what a flame decal is and that's considered low quality well I'm done. I spend time in paint blending colors and making number changes to match me. I don't use other software I don't know how.
I also noticed the bonus is just made up opinion and I saw how the media bonus was done and it was not fair. People right quality piece but them teammates of the graders get enough money to get out of negative for no real reason and that's from a former teammates that j liked.
I guess I will go look at how the other league I get pms about does money. It think they at least have a system for free points for no money.
Also how many people were ever fined in old system. If paint was so shit I never got a warning on things I just get it banned out right. Now if you have no graphics skill and are poor writer you better be in the ole boy clubs to get jobs.
I will address this point by point.
1- We will be introducing additional ways to make money with GFX to make up for lower pay
2- GFX tutorials were just posted in discussions, we are also going to introduce a tutorial Q&A type sub-forum for any GFX creating questions
3-I will ensure that nobody is receiving any bonuses based on team affiliation. If this becomes an issue, let me know.
4- Other leagues use other systems to earn TPE, this league uses money.
5- Sorry if you never received a warning that paint work was not what we are looking for, there are many other programs that you can use to create GFX along with the previously mentioned tutorials to help you out.
GFX Pay Changes - dave - 07-24-2017
(07-24-2017, 07:41 PM)Noppadet Wrote:So, would work like mine graded today fly moving forward? http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=2210
All of these took 45 minutes to over an hour even it doesn't look like it. The Lawrence Taylor one for example took especially long even if it isn't the greatest work.
Just need to know if I should bounce of out graphics submissions moving forward :lol:.
Work like this shows effort, so yes. This ruling was meant to stop people who were submitting extremely, extremely basic pieces. If you ever need help advancing your GFX skills, a number of tutorials were just posted in the discussion thread. If you ever feel like your work was withheld payment unfairly, let a grader know.
GFX Pay Changes - Stormblessed - 07-24-2017
(07-24-2017, 03:59 PM)xdave2456 Wrote:This idea has been in the works for a while now. I also don't see how this makes it harder to be active in the league unless one's "activity" consisted of submitting low quality paint sigs every week. The old warning system still allowed people to claim for the week they were warned, this new system doesn't. The old system allowed people to continue to submit low quality work while only receiving small fines, this system doesn't. People who try their best will have nothing to worry about, and if somebody feels as though their work was graded unfairly, I encourage them to contact a grader.
Look at the stuff I throw up. Look at the progression from week to week. I've gotten better. I've spent A LOT of time trying to get better. But my style would be thrown out because it doesn't fit your rules now.
Any system that increases subjectivity while simultaneously increasing barrier to entry as you lower reward is a stupid fucking system.
Say it with me: Any system that increases subjectivity while simultaneously increasing barrier to entry as you lower reward is a stupid fucking system.
GFX Pay Changes - Ben - 07-24-2017
(07-25-2017, 12:47 PM)Stormblessed Wrote:Look at the stuff I throw up. Look at the progression from week to week. I've gotten better. I've spent A LOT of time trying to get better. But my style would be thrown out because it doesn't fit your rules now.
Any system that increases subjectivity while simultaneously increasing barrier to entry as you lower reward is a stupid fucking system.
Say it with me: Any system that increases subjectivity while simultaneously increasing barrier to entry as you lower reward is a stupid fucking system.
I feel like your stuff would still be fine? I'm a bit confused as to where the line is drawn on what isn't allowed. My graphics I think have been improving as well but I'm unsure on if they would fly as they are now
GFX Pay Changes - Stormblessed - 07-24-2017
the fact that we don't know if our work is going to be struck down by the subjective arm of the law is the biggest reason changing the current system is stupid beyond comprehension.
GFX Pay Changes - ElMachoNacho - 07-24-2017
(07-25-2017, 12:47 AM)Stormblessed Wrote:Look at the stuff I throw up. Look at the progression from week to week. I've gotten better. I've spent A LOT of time trying to get better. But my style would be thrown out because it doesn't fit your rules now.
Any system that increases subjectivity while simultaneously increasing barrier to entry as you lower reward is a stupid fucking system.
Say it with me: Any system that increases subjectivity while simultaneously increasing barrier to entry as you lower reward is a stupid fucking system.
Any system that heavily incentivize, and reward sloppy easy work, like putting a name in front of a picture of an NFL player is a stupid fucking system.
GFX Pay Changes - Stormblessed - 07-24-2017
(07-24-2017, 06:08 PM)ElMachoNacho Wrote:Any system that heavily incentivize, and reward sloppy easy work, like putting a name in front of a picture of an NFL player is a stupid fucking system.
You people do realize there was penalties under the old system for lazy and sloppy work right?
It's nobody's fault but the head graders that those penalties weren't enforced.
This is not an enforcing of penalties. This is needlessly confusing and throws the power back to the arbitrary.
GFX Pay Changes - BrokkLee - 07-24-2017
hi everyone. most of you dont know me but i have been around here for awhile mostly just reading and talking to a few guys.
i am probably the oldest member here and this is my first time trying a game like this. i like this because it was a good entry point for me who sucks at other video games. in this game i was able to compete with the younger crowed and not be behind. i know my graphics are not the best here but i think they are pretty good for me. i liked to do things here because i could do them on my ipad and it was a fun game with loss stress.
i am not good at writing i worked most of my life using my hands. i dont know the computer programs you use in my jobs here and im not so good or do i like writing. so i decided to do graphics.
i was able to find a free software that was pretty simple so i started using that and paint. i think from first idea to completion my graphics take me 30 minutes, sometimes less sometimes more. i spend a good time thinkin of what im going to do an trying things before i really get strated. i try to make things that are more abstract and funny to make up for my skill gap.
i just think that for some1 like me this change is not good. i dont know what you crazy guys or sayin half the time but i came here to try a game and ive met a few good guys. i just think that this change is gonna make it like every other game where im just not on the level of the other people and i dont have a shot to be good and that just doesnt sound like a thing i enjoy.
i dont say a lot but i thought i would give my 2 cents on an issue that affects everyone
GFX Pay Changes - dave - 07-24-2017
(07-24-2017, 09:16 PM)Stormblessed Wrote:You people do realize there was penalties under the old system for lazy and sloppy work right?
It's nobody's fault but the head graders that those penalties weren't enforced.
This is not an enforcing of penalties. This is needlessly confusing and throws the power back to the arbitrary.
I've checked your past work and it looks good to me, I really don't understand this talk about some new guidelines for submissions. I'd like everyone to think of this more as an increase in the severity of the penalties that used to be in place already.
There was still subjectivity in terms of what work deserved a penalty and what work didn't in the old system. In this system, instead of the penalty being a warning and small stacking fines each consecutive week, it is a lack of payment. In the old system people could submit low quality work and still get 2.6 Mil, in this system that won't happen.
I do recognize that there is subjectivity in the system, which is why I have said many times that if you feel like there has been a mistake when grading your work, contact a grader.
Yes, it is harder to make money as you can no longer upload pictures of NFL players with an Arial font name in the back.
If you question whether your work is going to be struck down by the "subjective arm of the law," you clearly must not think highly of your work, as I have made it clear that this new change will only affect those who get by with low quality submissions.
If you put effort into your work, you will receive money. Even if you design in a minimalistic style, there is a clear difference between your work and some of the other low quality work that has been submitted.