(04-21-2021, 12:03 PM)C9Van Wrote: Oh thank fuck for that. Lazzy is free of this awful place forever <3

(04-21-2021, 10:37 AM)AdamS Wrote: It's incredibly disappointing to see Speculadora not receive a single vote. If that guy, with his history, and his reputation cannot manage a single user hall of fame vote, just close it up. No one's getting in. For the life of me I don't understand what kind of judgement it would take to come to this end.

Spec is a major major league user who's been around for a very long time, is already in the GM Hall of Fame (and is accounted by his harshest critics as a top 5 all time GM). He's helped develop a large number of users for the league and has held numerous jobs. Real Hall of Fames are less stringent than this. I just don't understand it. I would love to hear form a voter exactly what led them to vote no and exactly how anyone's supposed to receive a vote if Spec can't get one.


I just dont know about this place anymore. 3 and a half years and I'm looking on a league that's just filled to the brim with so much inflated seriousness that you'd think people were putting the ISFL on professional resumes and trying to get jobs with it. This is not that. This is...not fun. I dont know if I even want to be here anymore the way things are going.

(04-21-2021, 11:06 AM)infinitempg Wrote:

(04-21-2021, 10:37 AM)AdamS Wrote: It's incredibly disappointing to see Speculadora not receive a single vote. If that guy, with his history, and his reputation cannot manage a single user hall of fame vote, just close it up. No one's getting in. For the life of me I don't understand what kind of judgement it would take to come to this end.

Spec is a major major league user who's been around for a very long time, is already in the GM Hall of Fame (and is accounted by his harshest critics as a top 5 all time GM). He's helped develop a large number of users for the league and has held numerous jobs. Real Hall of Fames are less stringent than this. I just don't understand it. I would love to hear form a voter exactly what led them to vote no and exactly how anyone's supposed to receive a vote if Spec can't get one.


I just dont know about this place anymore. 3 and a half years and I'm looking on a league that's just filled to the brim with so much inflated seriousness that you'd think people were putting the ISFL on professional resumes and trying to get jobs with it. This is not that. This is...not fun. I dont know if I even want to be here anymore the way things are going.

Not a voter, but I think the reason spec isn't getting any recognition towards the User HOF is because the GM HOF was created specifically for someone like him. The dude is a legendary GM and these same 9 people unanimously put him in - plus he is the only unanimous inductee to the GM HOF. There is an argument to be made that he should be in the User HOF, but I think there is also a counter argument that the User HOF should be reserved for users who made a substantial improvement/commitment to the league structure or management as a whole. Someone like 37th who made the wiki, Dwyer and WC who were long time league commissioners, or TC who was a stalwart simmer and helped advance knowledge on the sim - they are all in. Personally, I think PDX should be in the User HOF because of his contributions with the S14 Prospect Bowl - something that a lot of the league-saving S15 class said really influenced them into staying and loving the league.

I don't think spec's dismissal from the User HOF ballot is a sign of inflated seriousness (I mean come on, Ben is on the committee) - I just think that the committee believes his contributions fit in with the GM HOF more.

(04-21-2021, 08:30 PM)AdamS Wrote: I was worried that something like what you said here could be the case. Both the part where a seperate (but equal) hall of fame was created to put someone like him in and that being in it would be used against him. 

If that's gonna be the case, don't call it the user hall of fame. Call it the contribution hall of fame or the builder hall of fame or something indicates that who you're going for is those people alone. To the point that a seperate hall of fame is created just to keep them out of this one.

(04-21-2021, 12:03 PM)C9Van Wrote: Oh thank fuck for that. Lazzy is free of this awful place forever <3

(04-21-2021, 08:41 PM)infinitempg Wrote:

(04-21-2021, 08:30 PM)AdamS Wrote: I was worried that something like what you said here could be the case. Both the part where a seperate (but equal) hall of fame was created to put someone like him in and that being in it would be used against him. 

If that's gonna be the case, don't call it the user hall of fame. Call it the contribution hall of fame or the builder hall of fame or something indicates that who you're going for is those people alone. To the point that a seperate hall of fame is created just to keep them out of this one.

To this point, I know it was mentioned at its original creation that it should be called the Contributor Hall of Fame or something similar. I don't really have any opposition to the name changing, fwiw.