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Make contracts have more value - Bzerkap - 10-26-2017
(10-26-2017, 09:30 AM)kckolbe Wrote:The ONLY counter I have (and it is weak) is that at a certain point you stop getting better and just start banking, driving your contract up without improving abilities. Ricky Maddox is over 600 TPE, but he has everything but endurance maxed. At this point, his new TPE only makes him more expensive for the same player.This is a very good point and also a probalem with some positions/archetypes. There are some that just peak remisiculously early and as such will have the ability to dominate for years. Then there are others that take a very long time to peak and thus will only be good for a couple years
Make contracts have more value - timeconsumer - 10-26-2017
Seems like we go down this path every season. I don't really have much opinion one way or the other about how the current contract system is handled, but I can tell you that if timed properly your team can do some very friendly contracts. I signed an extension after S2 ended for S4-S6 at $1m per year because I was just barely under 400 TPE at the time. Now I'm above 600 TPE and just going into my first year of that $1m contract. I have 623 TPE. Expecting to continue to earn at my rate of around 200 TPE per season that means I will be playing the S6 playoffs (cause you know we'll be there) at around 1200 TPE for $1m cap hit.
TL;DR We all hate the Outlaws, but I literally am signed to the most team friendly contract in the league considering my TPE.
Make contracts have more value - manicmav36 - 10-26-2017
(10-26-2017, 10:30 AM)kckolbe Wrote:The ONLY counter I have (and it is weak) is that at a certain point you stop getting better and just start banking, driving your contract up without improving abilities. Ricky Maddox is over 600 TPE, but he has everything but endurance maxed. At this point, his new TPE only makes him more expensive for the same player.
DE is not the norm though. It's well known that that position caps out well before others. To base changes around that position in this instance would be foolish.
Make contracts have more value - ADwyer87 - 10-26-2017
(10-26-2017, 04:07 AM)37thchamber Wrote:Not likely. Once a player hits tier 5 (800 TPE), they can sign a contract of unlimited length at 4m per season. People keep making the argument "nobody is there yet" but it doesn't add up. We're still going to have a problem.It absolutely will go away, I don't understand this argument
Let me explain.
The current salary cap is 75m right? That's high enough that you can have 17 players on the tier 5 minimum (17 * 4 = 68) and still have enough to sign seven rookies to the tier 2 minimum contract... That would give you enough players to fill an entire roster (24), meaning the salary cap and minimum contract rules do almost nothing to prevent this problem from still being a problem in future.
The minimum contracts and salary cap should work in synergy to prevent a team stockpiling more than a handful of superstars. That's literally the point of having them, no? These rules don't do that.
A simple fix would be to increase the base contract amounts and change the contract tiers automatically at the start of a season if a player moves up a level. That way you don't have a guy reaching 800 TPE in season 5 (which seems likely, btw) and signing a ten season contract at 4m per season.
If the concern about giving more contract money is that people will do less media/gfx, just increase training and equipment costs with player tiers too. Fix it so that +3 training can be acquired for 6 weeks (or however long a season is in real time) on the minimum contract for each tier. +5 training is double that cost, pro equipment is 8x that cost, etc.
For example, if tier X has a minimum contract of 6m, and a season lasts 6 weeks, then +3 training should be 1m for tier X, and tier X pro equipment is 8m each.
Or just scale them up from current values, whatever. Just scale them.
Will it be more work to calculate these things? Yeah. A bit... to start with at least. We already have TPE tracking in place, so it wouldn't be too hard to create a tool to show people what their training and equipment costs are, or to let bankers check the amounts when processing withdrawals etc.
Would be worth the effort, imo.
You can sign 24 players, with 17 in tier 5 and 7 rookies to 2 million, like you said. Ok, well, now I have literally no offensive line. The new OL ruling means you can't just go up to the edge of the cap and expect to be a successful team.
And I mean, look at the contracts people are signing. Outlaws have a lot of guys signing mins, but not EVERYONE is signed to mins. You think in S6 we will have enough money to throw 6.5M at a then-100 TPE OL? Think we have enough money to give a player 23M in one year? Think we have enough money to front load contracts as 6M-500K-500K? Absolutely not. Seems like people think that everyone will just always take minimum, and that's just not the case.
I can agree that contracts should scale up, but it's absolutely going to work itself out how it is now. Take all the current vets on 500K and 1M contracts, change it to 4M, and see how much that changes the landscape of the league. I guarantee it'll be a MASSIVE change
Make contracts have more value - iamslm22 - 10-26-2017
(10-26-2017, 10:50 AM)timeconsumer Wrote:Seems like we go down this path every season. I don't really have much opinion one way or the other about how the current contract system is handled, but I can tell you that if timed properly your team can do some very friendly contracts. I signed an extension after S2 ended for S4-S6 at $1m per year because I was just barely under 400 TPE at the time. Now I'm above 600 TPE and just going into my first year of that $1m contract. I have 623 TPE. Expecting to continue to earn at my rate of around 200 TPE per season that means I will be playing the S6 playoffs (cause you know we'll be there) at around 1200 TPE for $1m cap hit.
TL;DR We all hate the Outlaws, but I literally am signed to the most team friendly contract in the league considering my TPE.
I'm a season behind you, but same thing. Me and Taylor signed the same contract last week and both are already above 400.
Make contracts have more value - manicmav36 - 10-26-2017
(10-26-2017, 11:00 AM)iamslm22 Wrote:I'm a season behind you, but same thing. Me and Taylor signed the same contract last week and both are already above 400.
In my mind, this is the easiest problem to fix too. When you hit the TPE cap for that tier, the next season your salary is automatically bumped up to the minimum for the next tier. Simple.
Make contracts have more value - jaskins811 - 10-26-2017
(10-26-2017, 07:50 AM)timeconsumer Wrote:Seems like we go down this path every season. I don't really have much opinion one way or the other about how the current contract system is handled, but I can tell you that if timed properly your team can do some very friendly contracts. I signed an extension after S2 ended for S4-S6 at $1m per year because I was just barely under 400 TPE at the time. Now I'm above 600 TPE and just going into my first year of that $1m contract. I have 623 TPE. Expecting to continue to earn at my rate of around 200 TPE per season that means I will be playing the S6 playoffs (cause you know we'll be there) at around 1200 TPE for $1m cap hit.
TL;DR We all hate the Outlaws, but I literally am signed to the most team friendly contract in the league considering my TPE.
But that's still part of the problem. The Outlaws is just where it's most apparent. But people should want to get as much value as possible from their contracts, and unfortunately that's not what happens in this league because money is not valuable at all.
Make contracts have more value - manicmav36 - 10-26-2017
Honestly, if this problem pops up here every season, (and always brought forth by a different person) this is clearly something that needs to be addressed.
Make contracts have more value - PoloPro - 10-26-2017
Pretty much everyone has posted this at some point, I dont think there is a good fix right in front of us it will just take time to figure out
Make contracts have more value - Squeeze - 10-26-2017
Why don't we just take this lack of value and push it somewhere else?