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The Right to Vote - Bzerkap - 07-03-2018
(07-03-2018, 02:43 PM)bovovovo Wrote:For HO I can see it as an oversight but for teams to not vote I think is kinda ridiculous... like your own players are vying for those awards/pro bowl spots, ya know? Even if you don’t go all homer there there were some SJS and COL players deserving of pro bowl nods and it’s interesting to me that teams don’t want to take the time to be sure their own players are rewarded.Yea I mean, just do what OCO does every year with the Pro Bowl but at least vote.
Idk maybe I’m being dramatic lol I like to reward my players and see them honored so it’s just weird to me
I don't think OCO has done that for two seasons though, or at least this past season
The Right to Vote - manicmav36 - 07-03-2018
That HO participation is disheartening, to say the least.
The Right to Vote - Oles - 07-03-2018
(07-03-2018, 05:25 PM)Bzerkap Wrote:Deadline has already passed so............
Not necessarily, 1 deadline says thursday, plus i don't think awards committee is not gonna count a vote right after deadline. I think this was posted just a bit too early
The Right to Vote - Molarpistols - 07-03-2018
(07-03-2018, 04:49 PM)Bzerkap Wrote:Yea I mean, just do what OCO does every year with the Pro Bowl but at least vote.
I don't think OCO has done that for two seasons though, or at least this past season
Are you implying that OCO votes homer and that the players that are often near the top of their position in the whole league, not just the conference are not deserving because we're voting our own players in?
Maybe I'm misreading the intent of specifying OCO?
The Right to Vote - Bzerkap - 07-03-2018
(07-03-2018, 03:19 PM)Molarpistols Wrote:Are you implying that OCO votes homer and that the players that are often near the top of their position in the whole league, not just the conference are not deserving because we're voting our own players in?I'm talking about the one meme year in the pro bowl voting where all of OCO like only put OCO on their ballots. However, maybe I'm misremembering, shitty at forum searches or both. Sorry if I was wrong.
Maybe I'm misreading the intent of specifying OCO?
The Right to Vote - Ramero - 07-03-2018
I believe DSFL had 100% contribution
The Right to Vote - ExemplaryChad - 07-03-2018
It may have been a mistake for me not to vote. If so, I apologize. Let me explain why I don't usually vote for these things.
I'm generally uninformed. I care about this league a lot, and I love watching the games and checking out results the next day if I can't be there. I always check on my team and my player, and I pay close attention to what's going on with those things. What I don't do, however, is analyze much about other teams or their players' performances. I'm not a GM, so I don't keep track of these things for professional reasons like they do. I don't know which QB has done the best this season. I don't know which receiver is leading the league in yards or touchdowns. I know some about defensive performances, but I don't even know a great deal there. I could tell you which players on my team have done well, but that's it. I especially don't know much about what goes on in the ASFC. Should I just vote for players on my team at every position? That doesn't seem very fair, impartial, or becoming of HO.
So why don't I just check the index and vote based on that? The simple answer is that I know some people hate that. I don't know if this is the way most people feel, but I also didn't realize so many people cared if I voted or not. I can easily look at the index and fill in the names at the top of the list for each category. But is that doing a service to the league? I honestly don't know. Which is worse: an uninformed vote or no vote at all?
The best option, obviously, would be to better inform myself throughout the season, and I would love to be able to do this. I think, after having been in the league for a few seasons now, I can probably do better on that front. But I haven't felt confident enough that my vote would add anything meaningful to the conversation so far. Why should I be one of ten or fifteen people voting if they all are more qualified to vote than I am? It seemed better to let the people who know the league the best, carry the vote without my interference.
None of this is meant to whine or blame anyone else for my own failing, if this should be called that. It's a simple explanation, and a pledge to do better.
Maybe I should propose a potential solution: We could make it allowable (or clear, if it already is allowed) to submit incomplete votes for the Pro Bowl. I'd be happy to vote for LBs and DLs. Maybe DBs as well, given my current level of knowledge. Maybe I will only vote for NSFC. But if it's an all-or-nothing vote, it has seemed more appropriate for me, personally, to go with nothing. I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but maybe it's something to consider.
So then I submit the question for feedback: Assuming a person cannot make a fully informed decision, which is better -- an uninformed vote or no vote at all?
The Right to Vote - Bzerkap - 07-03-2018
(07-03-2018, 04:06 PM)ExemplaryChad Wrote:It may have been a mistake for me not to vote. If so, I apologize. Let me explain why I don't usually vote for these things.Thanks for explaining. I think an incomplete vote is better than no vote at all.
I'm generally uninformed. I care about this league a lot, and I love watching the games and checking out results the next day if I can't be there. I always check on my team and my player, and I pay close attention to what's going on with those things. What I don't do, however, is analyze much about other teams or their players' performances. I'm not a GM, so I don't keep track of these things for professional reasons like they do. I don't know which QB has done the best this season. I don't know which receiver is leading the league in yards or touchdowns. I know some about defensive performances, but I don't even know a great deal there. I could tell you which players on my team have done well, but that's it. I especially don't know much about what goes on in the ASFC. Should I just vote for players on my team at every position? That doesn't seem very fair, impartial, or becoming of HO.
So why don't I just check the index and vote based on that? The simple answer is that I know some people hate that. I don't know if this is the way most people feel, but I also didn't realize so many people cared if I voted or not. I can easily look at the index and fill in the names at the top of the list for each category. But is that doing a service to the league? I honestly don't know. Which is worse: an uninformed vote or no vote at all?
The best option, obviously, would be to better inform myself throughout the season, and I would love to be able to do this. I think, after having been in the league for a few seasons now, I can probably do better on that front. But I haven't felt confident enough that my vote would add anything meaningful to the conversation so far. Why should I be one of ten or fifteen people voting if they all are more qualified to vote than I am? It seemed better to let the people who know the league the best, carry the vote without my interference.
None of this is meant to whine or blame anyone else for my own failing, if this should be called that. It's a simple explanation, and a pledge to do better.
Maybe I should propose a potential solution: We could make it allowable (or clear, if it already is allowed) to submit incomplete votes for the Pro Bowl. I'd be happy to vote for LBs and DLs. Maybe DBs as well, given my current level of knowledge. Maybe I will only vote for NSFC. But if it's an all-or-nothing vote, it has seemed more appropriate for me, personally, to go with nothing. I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but maybe it's something to consider.
So then I submit the question for feedback: Assuming a person cannot make a fully informed decision, which is better -- an uninformed vote or no vote at all?
For the positions you are unsure of, ask some of us GMs about why we picked a certain player over another, we will usually give you a reason. In fact, a lot of us wrote reasoning into our awards votes, but not the pro bowl votes.
If you really feel uninformed I understand the feeling of not wanting to tarnish the award in some way, but I think you can learn a lot from the index, and if you want further reasoning you can ask one of us.
The Right to Vote - PDXBaller - 07-03-2018
(07-03-2018, 01:47 PM)Bzerkap Wrote:Sorry man, just Pro Bowl
I just realized I only did DSFL awards... :dsfl:
The Right to Vote - Bzerkap - 07-03-2018
(07-03-2018, 04:48 PM)PDXBaller Wrote:I just realized I only did DSFL awards... :dsfl:You are DSFL Co-Commish so maybe you should only do them. I'm not sure, but we should define that.