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*How to (Maybe) Save Chicago - CDub2 - 03-27-2020
(03-27-2020, 08:02 PM)Memento Mori Wrote:I mean, if you sincerely believe that the reason Chicago is bad is everyone else, then I feel like you're just proving the point in the OP.
Never said us being bad was on everyone else. I’m saying everyone else bullying our GMs for trying to fix the team aren’t helping the league.
And agreed nunc, full tanks rarely work. To get the whole team to stay committed during the whole rebuild is really hard.
*How to (Maybe) Save Chicago - Jonny2x - 03-28-2020
(03-27-2020, 09:22 PM)To12143 Wrote:We drafted a few guys in hopes of taking over for us because we knew we weren't going to be around for too long. We had built a good foundation and had guys we thought who were going to be able to takeover after a few seasons of mentoring and teaching. We had a plan in place and that plan worked. To say that I left after the fun part was over, when I had already spent multiple seasons as a gm before for the Liberty when we were struggling, then was a member of HO who was constantly harassed for a year, every decision was heckled and ridiculed and it most definitely wasn't fun. But nah I left after the fun part was over, not because I decided to go back to college, decided to move states, and was starting to get burnt out after years of service to the league where many of the things I heard were negative and damning to my mental health. We built the team to have a good foundation for the future, and the foundation for the team fell out from underneath when those players left.
I don't know any of the details and I was on the team. The build was amazing, though my point stands, if you had all those other things going on in your life you should have been forthcoming with that information in the selection process, if you were then the error here is on HO. Our first season was awesome you both went out of your way for the team and to keep the locker room active, then stuff started happening mid second season, I was in the locker room and really don't know what it was but 1 and a half seasons is not enough of a commitment to build a new franchise and you can see what happened. I get real life can happen but you just admitted here the plan was only short term and the build is what many would consider the most fun and challenging part of an expansion franchise. This was more an explanation on the reason Chicago is down and has gone through so many GMs. It was not meant to be a call out. I don't think we will ever see another team as competitive in it's first season as the one you built. Hope things are better for you overall, genuinely. These leagues are always supposed to be fun first or they are not worth it.
*How to (Maybe) Save Chicago - Symmetrik - 03-28-2020
(03-27-2020, 11:26 PM)CDub2 Wrote:Never said us being bad was on everyone else. I’m saying everyone else bullying our GMs for trying to fix the team aren’t helping the league.
And agreed nunc, full tanks rarely work. To get the whole team to stay committed during the whole rebuild is really hard.
Unless you can continuously get young, talented free agents, you can’t fix a team by perpetually trading picks/prospects for mid level players. You are almost always losing value on those players. Even if it keeps you afloat for a little while, eventually it will catch up to you. The more you trade the faster it catches you.
You don’t always have to rip it all down, but at some point in order to really fix a team, you need to shed pieces to add more picks. Find the players you who will build the right culture. It doesn’t always have to be everyone, but there’s no sense in keeping players who might leave, or don’t contribute to the room, or who are regressing if you aren’t going to be winning.
And when people who are drafted know that’s the direction, you can find people who will stay committed. That comes with the scouting, but you can find people who want to be there even in a rebuild.
*How to (Maybe) Save Chicago - scorycory - 03-28-2020
This aged well