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*Transparency on Chicago - iamslm22 - 03-29-2020
This post and article is just completely BS. Steel quit the league for 100 reasons - and it seemed to many people like he set up the DC intentionally to have errors so he would have an excuse to quit. He burned bridges with members in another part of the league community recently.
As far as Chicago being a joke - it's quite frankly because it is. Since Oles/Muford quit running the team the Butchers have made bad decision after bad decision This league criticizes bad GMing. If a team has 5 seasons in a row of making terrible decisions and not having a plan - they will get criticized. It happens in many leagues. I have sympathy for guys on the team like Cmac and Stennett.
But this article yet again is Jiggly attempting to be the victim of a situation partly of his own doing.
*Transparency on Chicago - CDub2 - 03-29-2020
(03-29-2020, 09:49 AM)Memento Mori Wrote:Because he can't work with steel. This makes Valor the second person in a short space of time to ask to leave their team because of their GM. Only two people have done this while I've been a part of the league. Both Chicago players, and both because of steel.
Who’s the other GM to step down from steelS behaviour?
Also, Valor told us he was stepping down because of IRL stuff and he wanted an ultimus.
*Transparency on Chicago - Memento Mori - 03-29-2020
(03-29-2020, 04:07 PM)CDub2 Wrote:Who’s the other GM to step down from steelS behaviour?I said two players have demanded trades - WALDO and Valor, not two GMs have stepped down.
Also, Valor told us he was stepping down because of IRL stuff and he wanted an ultimus.
If Valor was stepping down because of IRL stuff, why did he want to GM a new team?
If someone says that they're stepping down because of IRL reasons, no one questions it and they wish them well.
I'm assuming that given the evidence, Valor said this in an attempt to be classy about the situation. I could be wrong.
*Transparency on Chicago - Jiggly_333 - 03-29-2020
(03-29-2020, 10:26 AM)Frick_Nasty Wrote:If telling someone to follow the template of dc setup and their stuff isn't in order is bullying. You need some thicker skin. No gm in there was bullying him. We were just talking to him saying no one else is setting their DC incorrectly. @Jiggly_333 please before you try to paint a picture get the full side if the story.Oh, I have nothing to say about that situation specifically. As I said, DCs aren't my thing. That's just why he was angry, whether it was justified or not. As MPG said, it seemed to just be the last straw on top of all the other hate against the team.
*Transparency on Chicago - Jiggly_333 - 03-29-2020
(03-29-2020, 11:15 AM)Memento Mori Wrote:I said two players have demanded trades - WALDO and Valor, not two GMs have stepped down.There's also the consideration that Valor is Valor and Waldo is Waldo. After having them both in the league for around a year, you notice things about what they do. Valor will always do the most dramatic thing possible. Waldo is fairly volatile and might take something to an unexpected length. It's just something that happens and is a reason why some of us older people didn't even question that it happened. They may have valid reasons, they may just be doing shit.
If Valor was stepping down because of IRL stuff, why did he want to GM a new team?
If someone says that they're stepping down because of IRL reasons, no one questions it and they wish them well.
I'm assuming that given the evidence, Valor said this in an attempt to be classy about the situation. I could be wrong.
This article isn't about defending steel or his decisions, it's about the fact that hearing the same 5 step plan from every person in the league is annoying and gets to a point where it's completely unhelpful. Especially now that he's gone, it's just something that's not needed. It's overkill. I understand that on an individual basis, each person writing each article probably means no malice and may truly believe that Chicago can get better. But seeing an overwhelming wave of "Chicago sucks and only I can fix it!" is damaging to a person and a team.
*Transparency on Chicago - moonlight - 03-29-2020
The Butchers have great branding. Leave it alone.
*Transparency on Chicago - CDub2 - 03-29-2020
(03-29-2020, 11:15 AM)Memento Mori Wrote:I said two players have demanded trades - WALDO and Valor, not two GMs have stepped down.
If Valor was stepping down because of IRL stuff, why did he want to GM a new team?
If someone says that they're stepping down because of IRL reasons, no one questions it and they wish them well.
I'm assuming that given the evidence, Valor said this in an attempt to be classy about the situation. I could be wrong.
Fair. I forget about Waldo frequently.
I choose to believe what Valor told us in the War Room before he retired as GM rather than what he posts on forum or in general chat. He’s been hinting at relocating Chicago since he took over as GM. Of course he’d want to voice his relocation ideas on forum.
But that’s okay, you are free to criticize all you want. I actually had a good time in Chicago with Steel, even when we disagreed. He had some reasoning behind the moves he made, whether the great NSFL braintrust in gen chat seemed to think so or not. But, I seem to be in the wrong a lot these days.
*Transparency on Chicago - soryantyler - 03-29-2020
100% think a rebrand is needed, you don't get away from being the Browns without taking away the Brown
*Transparency on Chicago - Memento Mori - 03-29-2020
(03-29-2020, 04:48 PM)Jiggly_333 Wrote:There's also the consideration that Valor is Valor and Waldo is Waldo. After having them both in the league for around a year, you notice things about what they do. Valor will always do the most dramatic thing possible. Waldo is fairly volatile and might take something to an unexpected length. It's just something that happens and is a reason why some of us older people didn't even question that it happened. They may have valid reasons, they may just be doing shit.
(03-29-2020, 04:49 PM)CDub2 Wrote:Fair. I forget about Waldo frequently.
I choose to believe what Valor told us in the War Room before he retired as GM rather than what he posts on forum or in general chat. He’s been hinting at relocating Chicago since he took over as GM. Of course he’d want to voice his relocation ideas on forum.
Perfectly reasonable.
(03-29-2020, 04:48 PM)Jiggly_333 Wrote:This article isn't about defending steel or his decisions, it's about the fact that hearing the same 5 step plan from every person in the league is annoying and gets to a point where it's completely unhelpful. Especially now that he's gone, it's just something that's not needed. It's overkill. I understand that on an individual basis, each person writing each article probably means no malice and may truly believe that Chicago can get better. But seeing an overwhelming wave of "Chicago sucks and only I can fix it!" is damaging to a person and a team.Also reasonable. At the same time, I'd say that the Butchers have been one of the biggest stories of S21. There's been the fallout from cutting their kicker, an extremely controversial trade, steel trying to start arguments with anyone and everyone, one of their players demanding a trade, one of their GMs stepping down and demanding a trade, and now the other GM quitting at extremely short notice.
I can see how being the centre of attention has it's negatives, especially when the team is doing poorly. But equally, it's unfair to expect people not to talk about the team that can't stop making headlines.
Finally, the reason I brought up steel and his actions, was because some in this thread were acting as if steel was a blameless victim who was bullied out of the league when this simply isn't the case.
(03-29-2020, 04:49 PM)CDub2 Wrote:But that’s okay, you are free to criticize all you want. I actually had a good time in Chicago with Steel, even when we disagreed. He had some reasoning behind the moves he made, whether the great NSFL braintrust in gen chat seemed to think so or not. But, I seem to be in the wrong a lot these days.It's completely possible that the perception many of us have of steel and Chicago is wrong, others have also said positive things about steel. Perhaps it's a lesson in PR given how much the league has grown recently. Even if you're nice in private, if all you do in public is go around starting fights and being negative, people aren't going to want to play for your team.
*Transparency on Chicago - siddhus - 03-29-2020
I wish best of luck for Chicago, there is always a way to bounce back, nothing is impossible. I trust Ho, and whoever is chosen will be a good candidate