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*S22 Draft Review Rounds 1-5 - PMoney - 06-04-2020 The point of the article was to hype yourself up as a steal (yeah great value at where you went) and that's a hell of a lot of writing and research for that so fair play. It is a very harsh take on Witten considering he's the joint top improvement in the 1st round (and did improve more than you). All the CB ratings are harsh but we know why. Good job getting that bag. Who needs fines when you're writing articles worth 20m+? *S22 Draft Review Rounds 1-5 - iStegosauruz - 06-04-2020 I told myself this morning that I wasn't going to comment on this because I didn't want to be pulled into the fray, but after rereading it I think I do have a few things that need to be said. Essentially, I disagree with your entire methodology in this post. The league needs to get past this point of evaluating draft picks entirely on TPE factors. Its a great metric for determining the range in which a prospect is going to, however it isn't the end all metric some people - including this post - treat it as. In a draft class as stacked as this one, the difference in marginal TPE - often around 25TPE between top players and the fifth player at that position - is insignificant in the long run. If you think you've found someone who possesses value from something other than TPE - whether that be sim testing ability, general personality, locker room fit, humor, etc - than you take them over the person with the higher TPE value. You'd rather draft someone you know fits the team environment and the plan you're building because that increases the retention rate of your draft class. At the top tier all of these players will cap their builds - its more than max earning because if you "max earn" at most positions in the technical sense you end up capping your build path anyway. So who cares if someone gets to pump up their Kick Power at the end of their career because they had 25 more TPE at draft time. In terms of technical picks I'll choose a few favorites that I have issues with either on the grading or reasoning fronts. (06-04-2020, 09:31 AM)retrospace111 Wrote:Pick 1 - Hey look, its me. Firstly, I appreciate the kind words in saying that I was worth the pick. My problem with this analysis is the phrasing "its suspect when your first overall pick gets sent down." That entire comment neglects to understand most facets of team building - I wasn't drafted first overall for my player, I was drafted first overall for my user. It isn't a knock on my player, me personally, or Austin that they took a player first overall who spent another season in the DSFL - as much as some personalities in this league have tried to make that a sticking point or roast me with it. When I was drafted one of the first things I was consulted on was whether or not Austin should bring in a higher TPE CB to fill the other boundary slot across from Dermot instead of bringing me up. I discussed potential options available with trades with the rest of the war room and we came to the consensus that there was enough of an improvement adding Rambo - who at the start of the season was 250TPE-ish better than me - for the amount he was going to cost us that it was a worthwhile move. Before the trade was approved I was consulted on if I was okay spending another season in the DSFL - a move I was totally okay with if it meant Austin was going to maximize their % chances of winning an Ultimus. There isn't shame in doing that for the team, and consider I still provided the value the team was expecting when they took me first overall (i.e. in helping make decisions on moves such as adding Rambo, swapping Cole's archetype, bringing Jeeta up, and general testing) I don't think its suspect at all. I'm sorry my team was so strong they could draft a player first overall and not need them in the majors immediately. (06-04-2020, 09:31 AM)retrospace111 Wrote:Pick 4 - In a draft class this loaded, who cares if someone has a "fuck ton of TPE" later on. If you think a player is a good culture fit, you take them every time. You do what you can to take them - assuming the price is within logical parameters. Mori is a great fit in Philly. I love what they're building over there - Hall and Soup have them on a great course - and Mori is a huge part of that. I can't speak from the inner workings of the LR but I'm sure he's valuable contributor into the strategy aspect of the team, because I know he is for Myrtle Beach. I'm also sure he's in their management pipeline. He's a future leader in the league - hell he's a current leader in the league - and there's no issue in securing that player even if there is someone with a "fuck ton of TPE" still on the board. Grade as of now for steg: A+ Mori is great. He's one of the guys that when teams were talking to me during scouting and would ask my opinions on who I'd like to play with from my class that I'd mention every time. He's a total stud. (06-04-2020, 09:31 AM)retrospace111 Wrote:Pick 8 - Are you sensing a trend in who I'm selecting as people to call out for your shoddy logic yet? VC is a person I talk to DAILY. We work on almost everything together. Just like Mori, he's a current/future leader in the league and I know from my conversations with him that he's an integral part of what they're building in Colorado. He's max earned since the draft. 171TPE is nothing to scoff at. Who cares if he only had 200TPE at the time of the draft? Dude has shown literally every day since the draft he's going to be around the league for a long time and do great things. He's going to cap his build. Who cares if where he started at TPE wise. Smart move by Colorado to secure a great piece for the future. VC is someone I'm honored to get to work with and learn from on a daily basis. (06-04-2020, 09:31 AM)retrospace111 Wrote:Pick 12 - Probably the worst first round grade you handed out. Mith is another stud in the same vein as VC and Mori. He's a current/future leader in NOLA and one of the smartest players in the league bar none. As a DSFL I'm actively frightened of what he and Jay are going to keep building in Tijuana. He's another guy I've worked with on a variety of things. Just speaking on the impact he's had since he became a GM less than a week ago - he's already making big moves and proposing great ideas. This was a homerun of a pick by NOLA to secure one of the people from our draft class that I think has a bright future ahead. Hell, getting him at 12 was a steal. This was a top talent. Highest earner in the first round and one of the best users in the league. (06-04-2020, 09:31 AM)retrospace111 Wrote:Pick 5 - Hey look, another great culture draft pick by NOLA. Sloth was getting serious first round buzz by multiple teams during the draft. There are multiple teams who are trying to figure out their QB plan of the future, and even if sloth was a season or two early for some of those teams the value he brings as a user in the league - since he's one of the nicest, most genuine, and dedicated guys in the league - makes this another slamdunk pick by NOLA. He's their QB of the future, one of their team leaders of the present/future, and a stud earner. Why roll the dice he falls to you again? Why risk it and potentially have to spend more capital to move up and take him before someone else does? Just secure your player. (06-04-2020, 09:31 AM)retrospace111 Wrote:Pick 6 - I'm confused about your definition of "max earner." Lightnoir will start this coming season with 415+ TPE. Thats crazy. Dude's a stud user involved in a ton of stuff in the league. You know you're getting a long term, loyal player. I had the pleasure of working with Light in the awards committee this year. This was an amazing pick by Philly. The analysis shows the continued disconnect from value of getting a safe, talented user over someone with 15TPE more. I'll trade 1 point in endurance right now for a stud user any day. (06-04-2020, 09:31 AM)retrospace111 Wrote:Pick 10 - Hey look, another player with 360TPE - amazing considering where he started. I was pick 147 in the DSFL draft. He was 155. We didn't know anything at the beginning but learned under the guidance of Gucci and Kyle and both became top 25 picks. Edd is a great person and one of my favorite people in the league. Who cares if he doesn't want to tangle in the shit show that is the general chat? I don't get involved in their much time. Edd is still LR active in the Birddogs room, and from just checking the Otters LR at a quick glance is still active over there. He earns at a fine rate. He's a funny guy. He's a LR gem. Great personality fit for OCO. (06-04-2020, 09:31 AM)retrospace111 Wrote:Pick 4 - Did you really just call out a teammate for being a bad pick to your own team because someone has 10TPE more currently? Thats literally almost no difference... Ryeu is great. He had first round buzz. The fact you just called out your teammate over 10TPE is a problem. End of story. (06-04-2020, 09:31 AM)retrospace111 Wrote:Pick 7 - I'm not sure who Jeeta proved wrong. He was a stud going into the draft and still is. He was continually thought of a one of the top two WRs in the draft - along with William Lim - and was drafted as such. He ran WR3 for Austin and had a great year. He's active in the LR. He's one of the best graphic artists in the league. Not sure what you were thinking he was in the beginning, because he's always been great. (06-04-2020, 09:31 AM)retrospace111 Wrote:Pick 8 - Who cares how much TPE someone else started earning? Lim is a valuable member of the Dallas War Room and I'm sure is equally valuable to a Colorado team that just won an Ultimus. He's a great guy and having worked with him Dallas the past two seasons he's one of the brightest players in the league. Someone else earning more TPE doesn't make it a bad pick, he's still a great guy and a great earner. Screw some extra marginal 10TPE. (06-04-2020, 09:31 AM)retrospace111 Wrote:Pick 9 - I've written multiple articles about OL. At 368TPE Dolls is a huge improvement over the bot OL that most teams run. His earning is still great - the more he earns the more valuable he becomes. He's already a huge win over a bot. He's also a great guy who is active in the OL Discord and helps motivate the new batches of OL we have who are changing the league at a breakneck pace. This same comment comes for all my OL friends who you trashed. Golladay, Buckley, and Tommy - y'all are all the future of OL and have done great things for the position. (06-04-2020, 09:31 AM)retrospace111 Wrote:Pick 6 - First, Dermot is still a 1000TPE CB even after the first round of regression. Second, Kichwa is great. He's active, earning, and is one of the funniest guys in the Dallas LR. He's going to be a great Leaf Jr. replacement. If your only knock on this is because Austin didn't take A CB when they have the highest TPE earner in history who just barely touched regression then I don't know what more to say. Dermot still has several good seasons left before I take him out behind the shed and put him down. Kichwa is a great addition who is going to make a frightening pair in the backfield with Mendonca this year. For any people I didn't praise, I still like you all. The league is a great place. TPE only matters to some extent. If you're still active and earning - and if you're reading this you definitely are - you were a great pick. *S22 Draft Review Rounds 1-5 - Memento Mori - 06-04-2020 ily steg, ur such a cutie *S22 Draft Review Rounds 1-5 - howsour - 06-04-2020 (06-04-2020, 11:43 AM)iStegosauruz Wrote:Second, Kichwa is great. He's active, earning, and is one of the funniest guys in the Dallas LR. He's going to be a great Leaf Jr. replacement. If your only knock on this is because Austin didn't take A CB when they have the highest TPE earner in history who just barely touched regression then I don't know what more to say. Dermot still has several good seasons left before I take him out behind the shed and put him down. Kichwa is a great addition who is going to make a frightening pair in the backfield with Mendonca this year. Thanks for the love Steg! I will say that the TPE listed here doesn't include my latest update and I bought Tier 6 Equipment the last day I could - no use spending all my money to be banked in the DSFL. So currently I'm up to 429 TPE with a bit more to claim I think. *S22 Draft Review Rounds 1-5 - enigmatic - 06-04-2020 steg could probably claim that reply for media money and pay for his equipment for 5 seasons *S22 Draft Review Rounds 1-5 - siddhus - 06-04-2020 (06-04-2020, 10:53 AM)Lowlycrib Wrote:There is nothing that you can do that will make us regret passing on you I’m pretty sure every team agrees with this. The fact that in this article, Zamir even called out his own teammates is kinda sad *S22 Draft Review Rounds 1-5 - mithrandir - 06-05-2020 (06-04-2020, 02:43 PM)iStegosauruz Wrote:Probably the worst first round grade you handed out. Mith is another stud in the same vein as VC and Mori. He's a current/future leader in NOLA and one of the smartest players in the league bar none. As a DSFL I'm actively frightened of what he and Jay are going to keep building in Tijuana. Thanks for the kind words, Steg. This giant comment was the real draft recap I wanted to read. *S22 Draft Review Rounds 1-5 - .Laser - 06-05-2020 Zamir, I understand your methodology here and think you did a pretty decent job. There's some grades I disagree with, but I'm not gonna go into those. What I do want to say is that when drafting, teams will oftentimes take a player with lower TPE who is a great LR presence/league job/podcast maker/media writer/so on and so forth over a guy who has no jobs, isn't around, but has a "fuckton" of TPE. For certain positions, TPE is also not as important. DL only need about 600 TPE to be monsters, just look at Skarsgard, who is a 92 in the sim with I believe 570 TPE. K/P are the same way, and Steg's testing showed that OL don't have to be max earning to make a big difference. To address the RB situation, it's simply because there's 24 open RB spots at most in the league, and currently NOLA, AUS, and SAR al have GMs playing RB (maybe other teams I can't think of off the top of my head as well). That drops us to 21. So that's 21 RB spots to fill, and about 10 RBs in each draft. Okay, thats hyperbole. But it's a lot. RB is also the position that can benefit most from a change in scenery because of the different offenses teams run, and most of the time teams have IA RBs stashed away just in case that does happen. All this to say, I think you did a good job here, but I also think you were unintentionally selective of how much a user's activity impacted the player grade. For some players it's clear that the user is why the pick was given such a good grade, and for some players it's clear that the user was either not given credit (or not given enough credit), which very well could be because you don't know the user. I myself often fuck up with not knowing users and this was 60 people, so I don't expect you to know all of them intimately. The last thing has been addressed already, but it also seems like the formulae for calculating value by TPE changes from pick to pick. A guy who was at 200 and got 170 seems to be a max earner while a guy who was at 250 and earns 170 seems to be not earning as well. Just wanted to give you some constructive criticism and encouragement and let you know I wasn't offended at all, and I really enjoyed reading this. ![]() *S22 Draft Review Rounds 1-5 - yonggarius - 06-05-2020 (06-04-2020, 07:43 PM)iStegosauruz Wrote:Who cares how much TPE someone else started earning? Lim is a valuable member of the Dallas War Room and I'm sure is equally valuable to a Colorado team that just won an Ultimus. He's a great guy and having worked with him Dallas the past two seasons he's one of the brightest players in the league. Someone else earning more TPE doesn't make it a bad pick, he's still a great guy and a great earner. Screw some extra marginal 10TPE.Thanks for the kind words, steg! It jad been great pleasure working with you and kyle in Birddogs war room, and I look forward to things yet to come. And I agree with Steg's opinion. I realized how marginal a role TPE play(once you get into a certain level, or in a group of similar earners) compared to other categories, like media/graphics entries and discord activity/LR fitness, from my tine as a Birddogs scout. I found myself caring much more about those things- especially how that prospect acts and fits in the LR- than I paid attention to how much TPEs they had. I used to simply rank people by TPEs when I wrote my mock drafts before. Now I try to avoid ranking people only by TPE as much as possible. So, while TPE is still a big factor in deciding draft stock, and zamir's opinion is not 'wrong' per se, I think you have to focus outside TPE as long as a player doesn't go IA or see a significant drop in earning level. *S22 Draft Review Rounds 1-5 - Drizzy - 06-05-2020 bag secured |