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GFX Pay Changes - dave - 07-24-2017
Sorry if this is getting over complicated. This system is not meant to punish those of you who do not have the skill to create GFX as well as others. If a grader makes a mistake and you would like it corrected, message the grader. The grader can also help you with resources to improve quality of work if you'd like.
My main issue with the previous system was as follows. People could submit extremely low effort work and make 2.6 Million dollars. They would receive a warning, but the would still receive pay. This system could lead to major abuse. The penalties on this system are just more severe to remove the possibility of abuse.
GFX Pay Changes - enigmatic - 07-24-2017
I fucking love how this league keeps treating graphics makers like second class users.
Lowering our pay? Great move.
This is seriously dumb and my interest in the league is on life support right now. Why does it need to be this complicated to make money here? This is seriously your idea of fun?
I'm all for not paying people who make shitty sigs but for us who give a fuck, the rest of the announcement is a slap in the face.
GFX Pay Changes - Stormblessed - 07-24-2017
(07-24-2017, 07:43 PM)xdave2456 Wrote:Sorry if this is getting over complicated. This system is not meant to punish those of you who do not have the skill to create GFX as well as others. If a grader makes a mistake and you would like it corrected, message the grader. The grader can also help you with resources to improve quality of work if you'd like.
My main issue with the previous system was as follows. People could submit extremely low effort work and make 2.6 Million dollars. They would receive a warning, but the would still receive pay. This system could lead to major abuse. The penalties on this system are just more severe to remove the possibility of abuse.
I may be remembering this incorrectly, but didn't you make the "old" system?
So you:
- take over from the disaster warning of the last guy
- find a decent solution that encourages progress and implement it
- bend to the voices of the few who suggest problems instead of serving the interest of the many EVEN though you had fair and decent penalties for the abusers
- on the eve of the season - after most rookies have signed contracts - completely undo all the work you've done and alienate the best, the worst, and the most mediocre graphic makers this site has by: lowering the pay for the same work, increasing subjectivity in grading and discourage people like me from creating graphics because I'm not sure i'll measure up to your arbitrary standards.
Did I get that timeline right?
And to respond to an above post: NO I DON'T THINK HIGHLY OF MY WORK which is part of the issue. Now I'm to be expected to be held to a higher standard, for less money, all the while being concerned that I won't even GET the reduced pay due to someone else - who may or may not know anything about a completely subjective medium - doesn't like what I do. How is that encouraging, helpful or welcoming at all? That's the exact opposite. I agree with Enig. This change brings the pain to the graphics community of this site; both established and new.
GFX Pay Changes - Silver Fox - 07-24-2017
(07-24-2017, 05:41 PM)Noppadet Wrote:So, would work like mine graded today fly moving forward? http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=2210
All of these took 45 minutes to over an hour even it doesn't look like it. The Lawrence Taylor one for example took especially long even if it isn't the greatest work.
Just need to know if I should bounce of out graphics submissions moving forward :lol:.
No. These are fine, and you obviously put some effort into them.
GFX Pay Changes - dave - 07-24-2017
Due to the extremely mixed reaction that this decision has received, we are going to sideline this change until further notice. Graders as well as the community will work together to find a solution that we can all agree on.
The vision that I have clearly does not align with the vision of the members of the community, and that may be for a number of reasons. I apologize for any inconvenience this has caused, and again, I would like to work together with certain members of the GFX community to find a solution.
GFX Pay Changes - Silver Fox - 07-24-2017
(07-24-2017, 06:47 PM)Stormblessed Wrote:Look at the stuff I throw up. Look at the progression from week to week. I've gotten better. I've spent A LOT of time trying to get better. But my style would be thrown out because it doesn't fit your rules now.
Any system that increases subjectivity while simultaneously increasing barrier to entry as you lower reward is a stupid fucking system.
Say it with me: Any system that increases subjectivity while simultaneously increasing barrier to entry as you lower reward is a stupid fucking system.
I wouldn't be worried; your stuff is professional looking and has at least some design elements to it.
GFX Pay Changes - Silver Fox - 07-24-2017
(07-24-2017, 08:22 PM)BrokkLee Wrote:hi everyone. most of you dont know me but i have been around here for awhile mostly just reading and talking to a few guys.
i am probably the oldest member here and this is my first time trying a game like this. i like this because it was a good entry point for me who sucks at other video games. in this game i was able to compete with the younger crowed and not be behind. i know my graphics are not the best here but i think they are pretty good for me. i liked to do things here because i could do them on my ipad and it was a fun game with loss stress.
i am not good at writing i worked most of my life using my hands. i dont know the computer programs you use in my jobs here and im not so good or do i like writing. so i decided to do graphics.
i was able to find a free software that was pretty simple so i started using that and paint. i think from first idea to completion my graphics take me 30 minutes, sometimes less sometimes more. i spend a good time thinkin of what im going to do an trying things before i really get strated. i try to make things that are more abstract and funny to make up for my skill gap.
i just think that for some1 like me this change is not good. i dont know what you crazy guys or sayin half the time but i came here to try a game and ive met a few good guys. i just think that this change is gonna make it like every other game where im just not on the level of the other people and i dont have a shot to be good and that just doesnt sound like a thing i enjoy.
i dont say a lot but i thought i would give my 2 cents on an issue that affects everyone
I've found your stuff to contain an good level of effort thus far. You've clearly been trying new things, whereas this change was designed to eliminate the people who copy/paste from google images and throw some text on there.
GFX Pay Changes - Silver Fox - 07-24-2017
(07-24-2017, 08:55 PM)enigmatic Wrote:I fucking love how this league keeps treating graphics makers like second class users.
Lowering our pay? Great move.
This is seriously dumb and my interest in the league is on life support right now. Why does it need to be this complicated to make money here? This is seriously your idea of fun?
I'm all for not paying people who make shitty sigs but for us who give a fuck, the rest of the announcement is a slap in the face.
To be fair, under the new system (had it been implemented), you would have probably gotten the effort and skill bonuses and ended up making significantly more every time. Are you really happy now, when JoeBob CopyPaste gets the same cash as you every week for his 5 minutes of effort?
GFX Pay Changes - enigmatic - 07-24-2017
(07-24-2017, 10:38 PM)Silver Fox Wrote:To be fair, under the new system (had it been implemented), you would have probably gotten the effort and skill bonuses and ended up making significantly more every time. Are you really happy now, when JoeBob CopyPaste gets the same cash as you every week for his 5 minutes of effort?Maybe not but lowering everybody's pay because a few people cheat is not a good solution.
GFX Pay Changes - dave - 07-24-2017
(07-25-2017, 12:01 AM)enigmatic Wrote:Maybe not but lowering everybody's pay because a few people cheat is not a good solution.
In that case we need to work together as a community to find a good solution.