(03-24-2020, 07:17 PM)sapp2013 Wrote:These expansion rules are whack.

Both GM's are taken in the expansion, but the teams still take 12 more players? That's 14 players before one of the largest drafts, and that's not taking into account any free agents they sign. I would have liked to see 8-9 players + GM's.

And they get slotted at the top of the draft order? They should be slotted 3 and 4. Absolutely ruining the teams that expected a high draft pick and may not get their guy/position and will be perpetual bottom feeders.

A team can lose up to 3 of their guys? Whack. I'd like to see that brought down to 2.

HO should take a look at the NBA's expansion rules because our league is most similar to that in terms of contract length and team size.

I know I'm not around a lot, but it also would have been nice to get a decline notice or any kind of notice of my application, but I understand ho is busy and doesn't want to waste energy on someone who stops by once a month to stir the pot.

Aight. See y'all in April.

(03-24-2020, 11:17 AM)sapp2013 Wrote:These expansion rules are whack.

Both GM's are taken in the expansion, but the teams still take 12 more players? That's 14 players before one of the largest drafts, and that's not taking into account any free agents they sign. I would have liked to see 8-9 players + GM's.

And they get slotted at the top of the draft order? They should be slotted 3 and 4. Absolutely ruining the teams that expected a high draft pick and may not get their guy/position and will be perpetual bottom feeders.

A team can lose up to 3 of their guys? Whack. I'd like to see that brought down to 2.

HO should take a look at the NBA's expansion rules because our league is most similar to that in terms of contract length and team size.

I know I'm not around a lot, but it also would have been nice to get a decline notice or any kind of notice of my application, but I understand ho is busy and doesn't want to waste energy on someone who stops by once a month to stir the pot.

Aight. See y'all in April.

(03-24-2020, 01:17 PM)sapp2013 Wrote:These expansion rules are whack.

Both GM's are taken in the expansion, but the teams still take 12 more players? That's 14 players before one of the largest drafts, and that's not taking into account any free agents they sign. I would have liked to see 8-9 players + GM's.

And they get slotted at the top of the draft order? They should be slotted 3 and 4. Absolutely ruining the teams that expected a high draft pick and may not get their guy/position and will be perpetual bottom feeders.

A team can lose up to 3 of their guys? Whack. I'd like to see that brought down to 2.

HO should take a look at the NBA's expansion rules because our league is most similar to that in terms of contract length and team size.

I know I'm not around a lot, but it also would have been nice to get a decline notice or any kind of notice of my application, but I understand ho is busy and doesn't want to waste energy on someone who stops by once a month to stir the pot.

Aight. See y'all in April.

(03-24-2020, 06:52 PM)siddhus Wrote:If anything look at MLS Expansion rules lol. NBA expansion is for a 12 person team where 5 play at once. Soccer is 11 on the field which is like football. And also when was the last time NBA even did expansion lol.

Quote from MlS: Here's how the process will work on Tuesday. Both clubs will each be able to select up to five players currently on MLS teams. All teams will now be able to protect 12 players after previously being allowed to place 11 on their protected lists.

To adjust that to NSFL i would say 5 picked per team and 6 protects and 3 taken per team.

Also just a disclaimer this is a response to ur statement, I completely agree with expansion rules set in place by HO

(03-24-2020, 07:03 PM)sapp2013 Wrote:@ADwyer87 because I posted about 31 seconds after you, if you think a team of 10 players with none retiring and none leaving in Free agency BEFORE a large draft and signing their own Free agents is dead, then you have way too high of standard. May just be the nostalgia hitting me, but I remember a 7-man active lockerroom based out of philly winning an ultimus. Not saying a 7 man active lockerroom is ideal or even on-par, but my proposal is not as far out as you think.

(03-24-2020, 08:18 PM)ADwyer87 Wrote:I sould say its incredibly far out. Youre just punishing expansion teams in a situation that is already harsher than the last expansion rules. I get that you "protect other teams here" but as is based on my preliminary looks based on the preliminary looks theres an incredibly small chance with these rules that we get 7 actives each from this draft, maybe 7 actives total. And any actives we are getting are either mid earners or regressing guys (still very valuable users for a locker room but less so for an expansion franchise).

We are essentially getting the 8th best, 10th best, and 12th best players from each team. And i think thats fair, just to be clear. But i think looking at that its crazy to think the rules are too easy for expansion teams. Its a good level of harsh, obviously imma take what i can get being one of the said expansion teams but either way im not upset with those rules.

Take the 8th, 10th, and 12th best player from each NFL team and youre not gonna make the playoffs. Do it from the XFL and that team is winless. Do it in the NBA and most you would be lucky to win 10 games. Again, i agree eith the rules, but i think copying an NBA system is insane for a league like ours

(03-24-2020, 07:49 PM)sapp2013 Wrote:regarding the 8th, 10th, 12th comment, assuming all teams are balanced TPE wise (which they arent, but I am not digging into that info) really only the 8th and 10th players would be selected with 1 or 2 12th players. also, each team gets presumably 2 high TPE earners because of the GMs. the teams also get rookies and can sign any free agent that wants to go there.

regarding the NFL comment, you could make a decent team with those parameters. using this website I looked at the first 4 teams on the list, Vikings, rams, dolphins, and Chargers. These were the overalls of the 8,10,and 12 of each team in overall order: 86, 85, 85, 84, 83, 82, 82, 81, 79, 78, 76, 76. I'd be happy with that pull and could do some damage with it. the reason why this pull isnt bad is because how the NFL did it back in 2002 was they could list any 5 players from their roster, and those were the only players you could choose from. That in my mind is way stricter than what I was looking for and probably why the texans struggled so much to make their first playoff appearance.

according to the 2017 NHL Expansion draft, you could protect 9 or 11 players depending on strategy.  the NHL has a 23 active roster, so just under 50% are protected, but the expansion team could only take 1 player per team (30 original teams). the Golden Knights went on to the cup finals in their first year, so its not a death penalty by any means to take players outside of a teams top 8 players.