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S23 ISFL Pro Bowl - moonlight - 07-27-2020
(07-27-2020, 12:53 PM)retrospace111 Wrote:imagine abusing the 79 speed loophole and then still being a worse rusher and passer than Cue. and then still complaining about it.
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Pretty sure the Otters have beaten the Outlaws literally every game including preseason since you've been called up. That's about 6 straight games.
You've literally made the Outlaws defence worse clown. I've targeted you and your burnt ass every game and it's worked wonders.
S23 ISFL Pro Bowl - retrospace111 - 07-27-2020
(07-27-2020, 02:23 PM)moonlight Wrote:Cue simply had more passing volume due to the # of attempts. If Armstrong had the same number of passing attempts his numbers would have been 4168 passing yards, and 29 passing TDs and 9 INTs.
If you want to give yourself MVP simply because you had more attempts go ahead, but Armstrong with the same # of attempts would have had more volume in yards and TDs than Cue did.
First of all, you can't just assume a player maintains that rate of efficiency the entire time through. With more attempts, Armstrong's averages could have fallen off. I'll take volume over efficiency any day of the week.
(07-27-2020, 02:23 PM)moonlight Wrote:And you're forgetting another important category: how many league MVPs didn't lead their team to a playoff birth? The Outlaws and Cue also lost both games against the Armstrong led Orange County Otters.
The Outlaws yet again missed the playoffs and those two losses were probably a key factor. The supposed MVP couldn't beat Franklin Armstrong and the Otters. Lmao.
Yeah, let's ignore team record and look at the offenses. Cause Cue and Armstrong have no control over their defenses, only their offenses. Oh wow, would you look at that, Arizona has the best offense in terms of PPG. They also have the best passing offense in terms of YPG. Cue had the 11th best rushing offense in terms of YPG and still carried his offense to become the best offense in terms of PPG. Armstrong had the best rushing offense in terms of YPG on his side, and yet the Otters finished behind the Outlaws in terms of PPG. Otters had the 5th best passing offense in terms of YPG.
Takwaways: Cue > Armstrong.
S23 ISFL Pro Bowl - rapideagle - 07-27-2020
Am just here to say yay I'm a probowler
Also Respec Armstrong
S23 ISFL Pro Bowl - Opera_Phantom - 07-27-2020
(07-27-2020, 08:23 PM)moonlight Wrote:Cue simply had more passing volume due to the # of attempts. If Armstrong had the same number of passing attempts his numbers would have been 4168 passing yards, and 29 passing TDs and 9 INTs.
Fair point. I only have 1 question? Why didn't he do that then?
(07-27-2020, 08:23 PM)moonlight Wrote:Cue did beat Armstrong there in yards, y/c. But with the same number of attempts, Armstrong would have more TDs, but less rushing yards. It's a wash and not enough for Cue to be considered MVP worthy.
I'm starting to see a pattern here.. If he was on a path to have all those great numbers... Why didn't he do exactly that?
(07-27-2020, 08:23 PM)moonlight Wrote:Outside of .03 higher in completion percentage, no he did not have better stats. He had more volume due to more attempts. If Armstrong had the same # of attempts he would have had better volume than Cue.
I'm not gonna say the exact same thing again i guess.
(07-27-2020, 08:23 PM)moonlight Wrote:And you're forgetting another important category: how many league MVPs didn't lead their team to a playoff birth? The Outlaws and Cue also lost both games against the Armstrong led Orange County Otters.
The Outlaws yet again missed the playoffs and those two losses were probably a key factor. The supposed MVP couldn't beat Franklin Armstrong and the Otters. Lmao.
That's a fantastic argument. Wanna know another one? I don't think i ever beat NOLA in 4 seasons. Should we give awards to NOLA because of it? Well, if you want to use strange facts, we lost to Austin with a smaller margin than you guys lost in the playoff against them. Is that worthy of some kind of award?
Besides, isn't the fact that the Outlaws did not make it to the playoffs a bigger statement to Cue's MVP season? Well, even though he is on a much younger team, he still managed to get better stats than the "Every season MVP Franklin Armstrong" and the perennial playoff Otters team. Isn't that something?
Wanna know something? If Cue was on the Otters, they would still be in the playoffs, because no matter who you put under center, the teams carries him there. But if Armstrong was on the Outlaws, they would not be .500 this season and fighting for that PO spot.
S23 ISFL Pro Bowl - Moosecop - 07-27-2020
Eliminate MVP and call it MVQB. Also yay, pro bowl.
S23 ISFL Pro Bowl - .Laser - 07-27-2020
(07-27-2020, 03:40 PM)retrospace111 Wrote:First of all, you can't just assume a player maintains that rate of efficiency the entire time through. With more attempts, Armstrong's averages could have fallen off. I'll take volume over efficiency any day of the week.16 games isn't enough to extrapolate efficiency? Okay.
Quote:Yeah, let's ignore team record and look at the offenses. Cause Cue and Armstrong have no control over their defenses, only their offenses. Oh wow, would you look at that, Arizona has the best offense in terms of PPG. They also have the best passing offense in terms of YPG. Cue had the 11th best rushing offense in terms of YPG and still carried his offense to become the best offense in terms of PPG. Armstrong had the best rushing offense in terms of YPG on his side, and yet the Otters finished behind the Outlaws in terms of PPG. Otters had the 5th best passing offense in terms of YPG.Individual stats are the point, not PPG. You really want to make this accurate then include defensive points scored and field goals/extra points.
Takwaways: Cue > Armstrong.
Takeaways: Armstrong > Cue > all.
S23 ISFL Pro Bowl - retrospace111 - 07-27-2020
(07-27-2020, 02:38 PM)moonlight Wrote:Pretty sure the Otters have beaten the Outlaws literally every game including preseason since you've been called up. That's about 6 straight games.
You've literally made the Outlaws defence worse clown. I've targeted you and your burnt ass every game and it's worked wonders.
With that kind of math, no wonder you're complaining about not getting more votes than Cue. Despite the Otters having 1800 more TPE on defense than the Outlaws, the Outlaws still had a better defense in terms of PPG.
S23 ISFL Pro Bowl - Hallmonitor_20 - 07-27-2020
Congrats to all the Bell Boys!
And the AFC guys to
S23 ISFL Pro Bowl - Big Edd - 07-27-2020
tbh cue should be eliminated from mvp contention for his money manziel johnny football looking ass render
S23 ISFL Pro Bowl - Opera_Phantom - 07-27-2020
(07-27-2020, 08:48 PM)Big Edd Wrote:tbh cue should be eliminated from mvp contention for his money manziel johnny football looking ass render
That's a better argument than the ones we've been reading here