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GFX Pay Changes - deadendpath27 - 07-25-2017
There should be a bonus for the GFX artist if their design is actually chosen as someone's signature. If you make your own signatures this shouldn't apply. I think we should encourage more of the 'contract/requested' GFX the same way there are requested articles. Plus signatures are badass and I want everyone to have their own unique look. It's one of my favorite aspects of the NSFL, and I know a lot of people enjoy it as well.
If you use that system, demand drives the value and we don't over complicate everything. If you make someone else's work your signature you should give them credit in a thread that gets checked by graders and they can give the bonuses accordingly. If we have a black/white system there will be no room for judgement error as it's literally supply/demand. It may also drive the skill level as artists will be competitive in a sense.
Anything that isn't chosen as a signature can probably just be graded the way it has been to this point. I don't see the logic in trying to keep track of who is progressing or not in their graphic design skills. If someone posts something they didn't create or something that just has no sign of effort, don't give the payout. For the average user here spending ~30 or more minutes on their work they don't necessarily deserve or want to be judged negatively. If they want people to choose their work as their signature they will figure out what people want and put in the time/effort to make it happen, driving their skills. If you just want to do something as a graphic design noob to get some NSFL money and maybe just have a little fun, you should be able to do that. Often times I enjoy low quality stuff just as much or more than average stuff. If someone spends a lot of time and effort intentionally crafting a piece of shit that people enjoy it should also pass the quality check.
GFX Pay Changes - loco - 07-25-2017
HELL YEAH I'M GETTING 0/10 BOYS
GFX Pay Changes - Ben - 07-25-2017
(07-25-2017, 05:03 PM)deadendpath27 Wrote:There should be a bonus for the GFX artist if their design is actually chosen as someone's signature. If you make your own signatures this shouldn't apply. I think we should encourage more of the 'contract/requested' GFX the same way there are requested articles. Plus signatures are badass and I want everyone to have their own unique look. It's one of my favorite aspects of the NSFL, and I know a lot of people enjoy it as well.
I really like this idea. But it could be abused by teammates putting something as their sig for like a week then changing it etc. I'm not sure how you'd regulate that so the system is actually working the way it was intended
GFX Pay Changes - ErMurazor - 07-25-2017
(07-24-2017, 09:21 PM)xdave2456 Wrote:In that case we need to work together as a community to find a good solution.
I pity you and Silver Fox....
GFX Pay Changes - 37thchamber - 07-25-2017
(07-25-2017, 06:03 AM)deadendpath27 Wrote:I think we should encourage more of the 'contract/requested' GFX the same way there are requested articles.I suggested something like this before.
If we're worried about abuse, why not have requested graphics for the league itself? Or that can be used as a basis for requested articles later?
For example:
The request is "create a promo graphic/infographic for one team's secondary"
The following week, you ask for an article comparing secondaries, in which those submitted infographics etc can be used.
Then for this example, you give everyone who submits graphics for this request a flat rate of 400k per graphic, but choose the best three (or whatever) and give them a bonus 200k each or something like that. I'm not out here trying to figure the best numbers, I'm just using these as an example.
That way, your guys DillyDing, BrokkLee and Noppadet who are practicing and improving can still get paid a reasonable amount, but the better GFX people like enigmatic will be fairly compensated for having better work.
If you're worried about people submitting no effort stuff, I still think there is maybe scope for some kind of technical check (again, I mentioned this before) but I'm not knowledgeable enough about GFX to say for sure. Or maybe you only apply that technical check when you feel work is substandard. You could, for example, say "for your next submission, look at this tutorial and try to incorporate these elements" and the tutorial is about some specific technique. That way the less skilled GFX submitter gets guidance and assistance, and there is a clear progression in their ability. If they choose not to follow this guidance, then you withhold pay (unless their next submission otherwise meets standards, I guess)
The problem, from what I can see, is that any "standard" qualifier is not transparent (hence people's concern about being told their work isn't good enough; which leads to less submissions). If you can find a way to make it so, or a compromise in which users whose work is flagged as substandard are aware what you're looking for, there wouldn't really be an issue, I reckon.
GFX Pay Changes - 4D Chess - 07-25-2017
(07-24-2017, 09:32 PM)xdave2456 Wrote:Due to the extremely mixed reaction that this decision has received, we are going to sideline this change until further notice. Graders as well as the community will work together to find a solution that we can all agree on.Good call Dave, glad you saw the light and can admit to a mistake. It's up to the community to begin working WITH Dave so we figure out a happy medium.
The vision that I have clearly does not align with the vision of the members of the community, and that may be for a number of reasons. I apologize for any inconvenience this has caused, and again, I would like to work together with certain members of the GFX community to find a solution.
GFX Pay Changes - enigmatic - 07-25-2017
Making requested graphics and requested articles isn't the same. We make graphics so other people can use them. The article? You're going to write one anyway, might as well get a bonus for it.
GFX Pay Changes - ErMurazor - 07-25-2017
(07-25-2017, 10:24 AM)enigmatic Wrote:Making requested graphics and requested articles isn't the same. We make graphics so other people can use them. The article? You're going to write one anyway, might as well get a bonus for it.
Enigmatic you're one of the more active and skills graphics creators around here. What would you like to see in a system where people who spend a lot of time are valued, but people who don't have those same skills but still put in time are also compensated?