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Including a Players Association - bovovovo - 07-27-2017
(07-27-2017, 11:17 AM)Destroyer Wrote:I never took anybody's opinion and feedback personally or defensively until he said that I am trying to become a Master and have puppets and want to have unilateral power. That's literally the opposite of "Genuine". When I explicitly stated before that none of that is the case.
Now, I have no problem with there being an election man. I was just stating why I believe an election is un-necessary.
So my question to you is...what red flag are you seeing? Just genuinely curious.
Gotcha...just misunderstood your tone, my bad
The red flag was that it seems like you're putting yourself in a high position without taking into account the player's opinions. I know you said it's just for the beginning and afterwards the members would have the power to vote you out if they want, but I do think that it sets a bad precedent.
Also the fact that this doesn't seem to be structured the same as IRL PAs makes me a little cautious...PAs typically also have an elected representative from each team. A core group of 3 executives seems too small to be an accurate representation of all the members (if that's indeed what the goal is...a small leadership group where one of them is self-appointed seems a bit like a power grab tbh)
I would still like to be a member, but I'll need to see how seriously you / the presidents take getting players and members involved in the discussion, especially if you go ahead and set the precedent of establishing yourself as CEO without taking anybody else's views into account.
Hopefully that makes sense, and I appreciate you asking for feedback. Right now I think this is a 10/10 idea with a 5/10 execution, but I'm open to having my mind changed
Including a Players Association - Bzerkap - 07-27-2017
Yea I really don't think @Destroyer is trying to run the show here. He just wants to get it off the ground so he's taking it on himself, free of charge or other form of payment to do so.
I think like @tlk742 said if you want to vote him out of position after people have joined that's fine. I don't think there is any way he could do harm from that position. If you don't like what he says and is doing vote him out and repeal his measures. If you think the union has become corrupt or something then just dont be a part of it and don't follow their guidelines. The people will always have a bigger voice here than the one CEO of the union
Including a Players Association - tlk742 - 07-27-2017
(07-27-2017, 11:24 AM)Destroyer Wrote:Thank god, somebody gets it.
I gotcha.
Yes, so we open applications, lets say 2 weeks, during those two week an interim leadership is setup. On day 14 we have a vote for leadership, anyone can run, and then go from there?
Including a Players Association - Jiggly_333 - 07-27-2017
(07-27-2017, 10:19 AM)Destroyer Wrote:I'm literally going to ignore this post until you read what I have said previously, and correct your assumptions. I will highlight in red what you have mistaken, and what I have already said to be untrue. Also, you are absolutely incorrect in saying that there aren't CEO's in player unions, and I am sad that you haven't done your research on this subject before claiming such.I've checked all of the ones I know (or at least the ones people care about) and there's no mention of a "CEO" only "Executive Directors". There's a difference. And you're adding yourself into a position that hasn't even been decided yet that is allegedly the complete head of the organization. You're putting yourself into a position of power. Is that not suspicious? I refuse to support this unless a more player oriented structure is offered up. One that does not involve just the top people, but representation for all of the players from each team. The fact that you say anything that implies that only you can change something, you don't belong in the position. It's just the way leadership works.
Thank you and your opinion is respected.
Including a Players Association - DrunkenTeddy - 07-27-2017
(07-27-2017, 08:31 AM)Destroyer Wrote:Please explain what needs to be reworded (:Calling people ignorant when they bring up valid points that are shared between multiple people is an insult.
Oh and since you took ignorant as some kind of insult, i'd like to share the definition with you.
ignorance - noun - lack of knowledge or information
(07-27-2017, 06:16 AM)Destroyer Wrote:My way of running this Players Association...
(07-27-2017, 06:16 AM)Destroyer Wrote:The 2-3 jobs would be:
NSFLPA CEO - Destroyer
Stop using terms like "My way" if you want it to be run by the players, don't put yourself in the top position when listing the jobs, and stop calling people ignorant, you made it look like you're going to be in charge with absolute power and stated that a vote would happen, but you also gave yourself the ability to change that.
Including a Players Association - PoloPro - 07-27-2017
Sounds cool to me I would do it and be involved if asked
Including a Players Association - Destroyer - 07-27-2017
(07-27-2017, 08:31 AM)bovovovo Wrote:Gotcha...just misunderstood your tone, my bad
The red flag was that it seems like you're putting yourself in a high position without taking into account the player's opinions. I know you said it's just for the beginning and afterwards the members would have the power to vote you out if they want, but I do think that it sets a bad precedent.
Also the fact that this doesn't seem to be structured the same as IRL PAs makes me a little cautious...PAs typically also have an elected representative from each team. A core group of 3 executives seems too small to be an accurate representation of all the members (if that's indeed what the goal is...a small leadership group where one of them is self-appointed seems a bit like a power grab tbh)
I would still like to be a member, but I'll need to see how seriously you / the presidents take getting players and members involved in the discussion, especially if you go ahead and set the precedent of establishing yourself as CEO without taking anybody else's views into account.
Hopefully that makes sense, and I appreciate you asking for feedback. Right now I think this is a 10/10 idea with a 5/10 execution, but I'm open to having my mind changed
I completely see where you are coming from, and I agree with most of it.
However, i'd like to direct you to this part of my initial post
Quote:
- In our players association we will need to keep track of every athlete that decides to become a part of our association.
- We will have Bi-weekly public/open meetings where we will bring to the table all the complaints/issues/recommendations that players have had. (This includes all ideas brought up in the suggestion box) Executives will then talk about what they believe are the pros/cons of each idea are, and afterwards, we will open the floor to PA members and allow them to also discuss how they feel about each idea.
- The executives will keep track of all these ideas, and will assign them 1 of 4 "Stages" based on how the members feel about it:
This is our only role as executives. We dont form a single opinion, idea, or change a single opinion or idea. Our only goal is to make the platform available. We will talk about what is going to be discussed at that meeting then open it up completely to all members. We are all the decision makers. If I didn't get that across, I am sorry, but it's what I meant. There is no small inner group or anything. We just run the proceedings and make sure that the platform is actually given attention. We are also tasked with just keeping our records together and making sure that all of our information is available to everybody. That's all. I hope you can understand a bit more clearly. If not, please continue with the feedback.
Thank you!
Oh and thank you for being level-headed and actually reading what i'm saying and have genuine questions/concerns. It's nice.
Edit: Here @Jiggly_333 @DrunkenTeddy, read this, and if it still doesn't make sense, just leave this thread because I dont think I can appeal to you. You both claim that I want some type of power, that's not the case and you are not reading what I am saying. Thank you.
Including a Players Association - Destroyer - 07-27-2017
(07-27-2017, 08:32 AM)Bzerkap Wrote:Yea I really don't think @Destroyer is trying to run the show here. He just wants to get it off the ground so he's taking it on himself, free of charge or other form of payment to do so.
I think like @tlk742 said if you want to vote him out of position after people have joined that's fine. I don't think there is any way he could do harm from that position. If you don't like what he says and is doing vote him out and repeal his measures. If you think the union has become corrupt or something then just dont be a part of it and don't follow their guidelines. The people will always have a bigger voice here than the one CEO of the union
Thank you so much for this! This is exactly what I was saying, and i'm glad that the point got across to somebody.
Including a Players Association - tlk742 - 07-27-2017
I think a constitution laying out a mission statement, purpose and hierarchy should be drafted before membership is gotten, my two cents.
Including a Players Association - 4D Chess - 07-27-2017
(07-27-2017, 10:21 AM)Destroyer Wrote:guys, PLEASE, for fucks sake. There is no "In charge". ITS A TITLE. the speaker of the house is NOT IN CHARGE, they just keep the proceedings running and act as a leader of the majority. I dont understand how this is not getting across yet lolIf it's not important than why don't you just get rid of the CEO title?