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RE: TIL playing Defensive Tackle makes you ineligible for Defensive Tackle awards - Z-Whiz - 01-14-2021
Quote:So would someone be able to explain why last season I was eligible and this season not? I was in the same defensive scheme both seasons.
Was last season I shouldn't have been? Or this season I should have been?
Or is the rule just that janky that each season it's just up for whatever someone ends up deciding is good or not?
I think these are pretty legitimate questions on how the process works.
I'm not on awards committee, but from my understanding you shouldn't have been eligible last season. Usually there is some sort of review on which position each player played in and if they met the necessary requirement. So it must've been missed. It's that same process for TE's being listed as FB, but playing WR.
RE: TIL playing Defensive Tackle makes you ineligible for Defensive Tackle awards - zaynzk - 01-14-2021
(01-14-2021, 06:53 PM)Big Edd Wrote: Lol just be DT not that hard
When God speaks, you listen
RE: TIL playing Defensive Tackle makes you ineligible for Defensive Tackle awards - White Cornerback - 01-14-2021
dm awards commit instead of throwing toys out of pram
RE: TIL playing Defensive Tackle makes you ineligible for Defensive Tackle awards - qWest - 01-14-2021
(01-14-2021, 06:41 PM)Eldorian Wrote: So would someone be able to explain why last season I was eligible and this season not? I was in the same defensive scheme both seasons.Sorry for confusion there, I went back and checked the S25 collator. We've remained consistent with our interpretation of 3-4 RDT/LDT. You were used as the NT for OCO last season (if not always, at least significant enough to retain at least the 60% eligibility) whereas you were not the NT this season. This is the reason Wheezer got kicked off the ballot last season, he was in the same position you are this season.
Was last season I shouldn't have been? Or this season I should have been?
Or is the rule just that janky that each season it's just up for whatever someone ends up deciding is good or not?
I think these are pretty legitimate questions on how the process works.
RE: TIL playing Defensive Tackle makes you ineligible for Defensive Tackle awards - Eldorian - 01-14-2021
(01-14-2021, 08:17 PM)qWest Wrote:(01-14-2021, 06:41 PM)Eldorian Wrote: So would someone be able to explain why last season I was eligible and this season not? I was in the same defensive scheme both seasons.Sorry for confusion there, I went back and checked the S25 collator. We've remained consistent with our interpretation of 3-4 RDT/LDT. You were used as the NT for OCO last season (if not always, at least significant enough to retain at least the 60% eligibility) whereas you were not the NT this season. This is the reason Wheezer got kicked off the ballot last season, he was in the same position you are this season.
Was last season I shouldn't have been? Or this season I should have been?
Or is the rule just that janky that each season it's just up for whatever someone ends up deciding is good or not?
I think these are pretty legitimate questions on how the process works.
Thanks for the explanation.
So what exactly was I eligible for? Because Zamir said I would have been eligible for DE of the year, but from talking to others it appears that's not the case because... I played too much at DT.
RE: TIL playing Defensive Tackle makes you ineligible for Defensive Tackle awards - qWest - 01-14-2021
(01-14-2021, 08:19 PM)Eldorian Wrote:Yeah sorry Zamir jumped in there and confused it.(01-14-2021, 08:17 PM)qWest Wrote:(01-14-2021, 06:41 PM)Eldorian Wrote: So would someone be able to explain why last season I was eligible and this season not? I was in the same defensive scheme both seasons.Sorry for confusion there, I went back and checked the S25 collator. We've remained consistent with our interpretation of 3-4 RDT/LDT. You were used as the NT for OCO last season (if not always, at least significant enough to retain at least the 60% eligibility) whereas you were not the NT this season. This is the reason Wheezer got kicked off the ballot last season, he was in the same position you are this season.
Was last season I shouldn't have been? Or this season I should have been?
Or is the rule just that janky that each season it's just up for whatever someone ends up deciding is good or not?
I think these are pretty legitimate questions on how the process works.
Thanks for the explanation.
So what exactly was I eligible for? Because Zamir said I would have been eligible for DE of the year, but from talking to others it appears that's not the case because... I played too much at DT.
From what I can quickly see you fall into an unfortunate gap that too many players fall into: you were ineligible for all positional awards by rule. Given that OCO pretty much always ran you as DT in Nickel and DE (RDT) in 3-4, you fall into a 50/50 split between the two positions and thus do not meet the 60% requirement for any position. This has consistently happened to more and more of the leagues DTs as the 3-4 scheme has become popular. Additionally, a number of gadget RBs that play 50% at WR and 50% at RB have this same problem, as we saw with KKM. Ideally, with the move to the 3-4/3-3-5 and 4-3 Nickel schemes that teams will be forced to pick between in DDSPF 21, this issue will disappear. To that end, if players will be more consistently forced to play one position almost all of the time, I hope to see the 60% rule abolished by GMs.
I'm sorry to see that you got caught up in this weird in between land that the rules didn't properly prepare for, as many other players have the last few seasons. I've consistently raised concern and disdain for this rule (including the previous version that declared all players that play a single snap out of position to be ineligible, which them required an emergency vote to overturn), but perhaps I should've been more vocal to change the rules earlier.
RE: TIL playing Defensive Tackle makes you ineligible for Defensive Tackle awards - Eldorian - 01-14-2021
(01-14-2021, 08:34 PM)qWest Wrote: Yeah sorry Zamir jumped in there and confused it.
From what I can quickly see you fall into an unfortunate gap that too many players fall into: you were ineligible for all positional awards by rule. Given that OCO pretty much always ran you as DT in Nickel and DE (RDT) in 3-4, you fall into a 50/50 split between the two positions and thus do not meet the 60% requirement for any position. This has consistently happened to more and more of the leagues DTs as the 3-4 scheme has become popular. Additionally, a number of gadget RBs that play 50% at WR and 50% at RB have this same problem, as we saw with KKM. Ideally, with the move to the 3-4/3-3-5 and 4-3 Nickel schemes that teams will be forced to pick between in DDSPF 21, this issue will disappear. To that end, if players will be more consistently forced to play one position almost all of the time, I hope to see the 60% rule abolished by GMs.
I'm sorry to see that you got caught up in this weird in between land that the rules didn't properly prepare for, as many other players have the last few seasons. I've consistently raised concern and disdain for this rule (including the previous version that declared all players that play a single snap out of position to be ineligible, which them required an emergency vote to overturn), but perhaps I should've been more vocal to change the rules earlier.
Thanks for the explanation. Kind of hilarious it works that way, but I wouldn't have guessed that's how it works based on how the ruling is worded and thus why I was so confused by it.
I'm hoping a couple things come from this and the reason why I posted it the way I did (and didn't just DM someone) - because I can't be the only person that is confused by how this works (maybe I am) and this deserves some kind of public attention
1. People at least discuss this and perhaps a rule change comes into play (nothing else, worth a discussion)
2. Players who want to chase any kind of awards will need to know what to look out for when talking to their GMs about what they want to do. As far as I'm aware though, not even my GMs knew playing that way would have made me ineligible for basically everything.
RE: TIL playing Defensive Tackle makes you ineligible for Defensive Tackle awards - ddrector - 01-15-2021
So here's my issues. In a 4-3 the 2 interior DL players are DTs and the 2 outside are typically DEs. But when you transition that to a 3-4 you usually slide the 2 DT's to DE and put a nose tackle in between them. And the DEs are now OLBs. A guy like TJ Watt who plays 3-4 OLB would most likely play 4-3 DE.
Another way to put it. In a 3-4 the 3 DL all typically line up inside the tackles. In. 4-3 the 2 DTs are inside the tackles and the 2 DEs are outside the tackles. Therefore, 3-4 DE = 4-3 DT. In the real life picture below you can clearly see the 3-4 DEs line up inside the tackles. The pic of the sim that was posted is ridiculous. If that was really how the sim worked the offense would just run it down the middle easily every play and gain at least 5 yards a carry.
https://images.app.goo.gl/HgEtYZRAv3LfXbWKA
56 and 92 are the OLBs in that image.
RE: TIL playing Defensive Tackle makes you ineligible for Defensive Tackle awards - qWest - 01-15-2021
(01-15-2021, 09:23 AM)ddrector Wrote: So here's my issues. In a 4-3 the 2 interior DL players are DTs and the 2 outside are typically DEs. But when you transition that to a 3-4 you usually slide the 2 DT's to DE and put a nose tackle in between them. And the DEs are now OLBs. A guy like TJ Watt who plays 3-4 OLB would most likely play 4-3 DE.It's not the way that it should work, but from watching half a game and marking DL positions, that picture is consistent with the way the sim has the DL set up pre snap, with LBs mostly crowding the box. It's inverted from how it works IRL, but that's how 16 handles it.
Another way to put it. In a 3-4 the 3 DL all typically line up inside the tackles. In. 4-3 the 2 DTs are inside the tackles and the 2 DEs are outside the tackles. Therefore, 3-4 DE = 4-3 DT. In the real life picture below you can clearly see the 3-4 DEs line up inside the tackles. The pic of the sim that was posted is ridiculous. If that was really how the sim worked the offense would just run it down the middle easily every play and gain at least 5 yards a carry.
https://images.app.goo.gl/HgEtYZRAv3LfXbWKA
56 and 92 are the OLBs in that image.
RE: TIL playing Defensive Tackle makes you ineligible for Defensive Tackle awards - AdamS - 01-15-2021
The sim being stupid is really the fault here