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RE: *PBE vs ISFL (with help from iamslm22) - part 2 - 37thchamber - 06-16-2021

ok lemme go through these real quick

the "at" freezing thing sounds like an environmental issue to me. can't say i have ever seen that on my end, but it seems likely to be relating to available memory for your browser though. i imagine the member list would be loaded client side for this kind of functionality, so a slower computer or less efficient browser (for any of various reasons) may struggle with that on a large site like this one. will have to see if others are having the same problem, and then maybe see if there's a way to change how that functionality works if necessary. im assuming it queries the members table in the database, so there might be a way to speed things up there (username might not be indexed, for example) or possibly rework the site code to only execute the query if you press tab or enter or something. not sure. id have to look at the code behind that feature.

images in the member list is a fair complaint (and we can probably force resizing there, something to look at)
though you can still sort alphabetically, just by clicking username (like how one might sort files in windows explorer, for example)
here is a link of this functionality in action: https://forums.sim-football.com/memberlist.php?perpage=30&sort=username&order=ascending

also the search function does allow you to search for posts by a specific user, there is an option right there in the interface
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or you could just click "find all posts" in their user profile
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as far as i can tell, last post is visible in the subforum
[Image: Au1wuRZ.png]

but if you resize the browser window to be smaller, it disappears.

this is likely part of the responsive design to prevent side scrolling (side scrolling bad) and only show the most relevant information. pretty standard stuff, but i guess if this is an issue for people, the site design can probably be changed to show this information at narrower widths still. would probably have to experiment to see what widths work without it being too cluttered (and tbh we might already be at optimum)

the text box does autoscroll when i hit enter on the last line, so again, i suspect this is an environmental issue specific to whatever browser and settings you have. maybe if others have the same issue we can look at commonalities and figure out if there is something that can be done on the site itself, but i doubt it tbh. we'd have to replicate the behaviour before we can even attempt a fix, probably.

i dont understand what you mean about editing posts. i almost always quick edit and i can still see the other posts in the thread.
if you're doing a full edit, that would explain it... but thats what the quick edit option is for. so you can see in-line with the thread. not really sure this can be changed (or if it needs to tbh)




sounds to me like most of your complaints arent actually bugs tbh.

as for benefits that this forum software has that jcink doesnt... well, without even going into the numerous flaws jcink has, i can sum things up in one sentence: we can customise this, and we couldnt customise jcink. so, if there are things causing problems, when they are raised and the source identified, they can be addressed. we can quite literally add pretty much anything we want here that jcink doesnt have, if people want/need it. that was literally the point of the move. i know this because i was the one who pushed for it and explained those exact benefits.

obviously though, people need to raise issues for them to be addressed. a similar issue came up when you had complaints about the wiki. i had no idea you had a problem, so i couldnt address it. if you speak up about a problem, it can be addressed. if you don't... how does anyone with the ability to help, know you had a problem?


RE: *PBE vs ISFL (with help from iamslm22) - part 2 - DarknessRising - 06-16-2021

I think 37th chamber explained most things there, but Swanty has all found a way to re-size all images in the members list, so not the audacious sizes of some will no longer be an issue going forward


RE: *PBE vs ISFL (with help from iamslm22) - part 2 - JuOSu - 06-16-2021

(06-16-2021, 03:22 AM)37thchamber Wrote: ok lemme go through these real quick

the "at" freezing thing sounds like an environmental issue to me. can't say i have ever seen that on my end, but it seems likely to be relating to available memory for your browser though. i imagine the member list would be loaded client side for this kind of functionality, so a slower computer or less efficient browser (for any of various reasons) may struggle with that on a large site like this one. will have to see if others are having the same problem, and then maybe see if there's a way to change how that functionality works if necessary. im assuming it queries the members table in the database, so there might be a way to speed things up there (username might not be indexed, for example) or possibly rework the site code to only execute the query if you press tab or enter or something. not sure. id have to look at the code behind that feature.

images in the member list is a fair complaint (and we can probably force resizing there, something to look at)
though you can still sort alphabetically, just by clicking username (like how one might sort files in windows explorer, for example)
here is a link of this functionality in action: https://forums.sim-football.com/memberlist.php?perpage=30&sort=username&order=ascending

also the search function does allow you to search for posts by a specific user, there is an option right there in the interface
[Image: BnLP4Nj.png]

or you could just click "find all posts" in their user profile
[Image: wj3iwA5.png]

as far as i can tell, last post is visible in the subforum
[Image: Au1wuRZ.png]

but if you resize the browser window to be smaller, it disappears.

this is likely part of the responsive design to prevent side scrolling (side scrolling bad) and only show the most relevant information. pretty standard stuff, but i guess if this is an issue for people, the site design can probably be changed to show this information at narrower widths still. would probably have to experiment to see what widths work without it being too cluttered (and tbh we might already be at optimum)

the text box does autoscroll when i hit enter on the last line, so again, i suspect this is an environmental issue specific to whatever browser and settings you have. maybe if others have the same issue we can look at commonalities and figure out if there is something that can be done on the site itself, but i doubt it tbh. we'd have to replicate the behaviour before we can even attempt a fix, probably.

i dont understand what you mean about editing posts. i almost always quick edit and i can still see the other posts in the thread.
if you're doing a full edit, that would explain it... but thats what the quick edit option is for. so you can see in-line with the thread. not really sure this can be changed (or if it needs to tbh)




sounds to me like most of your complaints arent actually bugs tbh.

as for benefits that this forum software has that jcink doesnt... well, without even going into the numerous flaws jcink has, i can sum things up in one sentence: we can customise this, and we couldnt customise jcink. so, if there are things causing problems, when they are raised and the source identified, they can be addressed. we can quite literally add pretty much anything we want here that jcink doesnt have, if people want/need it. that was literally the point of the move. i know this because i was the one who pushed for it and explained those exact benefits.

obviously though, people need to raise issues for them to be addressed. a similar issue came up when you had complaints about the wiki. i had no idea you had a problem, so i couldnt address it. if you speak up about a problem, it can be addressed. if you don't... how does anyone with the ability to help, know you had a problem?


First off, thanks for the detailed reply. 

A few comments on it: First, let me say that I don't feel the need to speak out about these issues because it's not breaking the site for me or the enjoyment, I was just explaining how as a user this site is not as smooth as jcink is. I fully understand the advantages of it on the backend though. But there is a lot of circle jerk about how this site is so much smoother and I just can't say that I have that experience. 

I talked yesterday with infinite and he also mentioned he gets the at freezing, so I doubt I am alone there. 

The search function was not the same as what I described. While what you show is very useful, I want to see only posts started by that user, which is not how the search function works that you described. Though with an improved member list, going to their profiles and seeing them that way is an option.

Last post being visible is honestly the first time I am seeing it, and I use a pretty standard window size. If I am somehow too small, then I don't know how big the window needs to be in order to show it. I just tested this out and I would basically need to full size the window, which is just not something I ever do.

I get that some of these issues may be related to my browser or settings but this website is literally the only place where I have those issues. 

A quick edit is an option to see other posts, however when you do an update a quick edit is useless because you can't put any links there easily. And when you full edit you don't see the last post, so you have no idea if you already claimed a certain thing. 

Like I said, I realize some of these aren't bugs, that's totally fair, but as a user it leads to a less effective and less smooth using of the website, which is frustrating. 

As I type this reply, I am reminded of another thing: When I type a long post, the typing slows down, to where letters only appear seconds later and in slow motion basically, so I have to slow down my typing and wait for the words to appear that I typed seconds ago. I get that this is probably once again related to my browser but again this website is the only place where this happens.


RE: *PBE vs ISFL (with help from iamslm22) - part 2 - Net - 06-16-2021

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