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S9 Archetype Changes - majesiu - 07-05-2018

(07-05-2018, 07:06 PM)HalfEatenOnionBagel Wrote:I was mainly just trying to highlight that interceptions are kind of as random here as they are in real life. Sometimes the "best" players get a ton of interceptions in a season and sometimes they only get like 2 and that's the same thing you're seeing here for quite a few of the better CB in the NSFL. Xavier Rhodes only had 2 interceptions in his first 39 career games and only has 9 in his first 5 seasons and a lot of people think he's a top 5 corner in the NFL.

I think the impact you're having for your team is a lot more that just getting interceptions. Not to mention the guys you are comparing to have played through seasons in the league that were a lot different just because of various buffs and nerfs and rule changes that have passed over the seasons. Not to mention they have grown with the league rather than starting in an already established league with a lot of superstar WR.

If you want the stats, that's one thing. But again look at CBs in the NFL and you'll see they don't get a ton of stats and why would they? But if that's not what you care about and you really want to make an impact I'd stick with CB because a lot of the best CB in the league are hitting regression and it will only continue to be a need.

Okay, then what was the nerf of man-to-man archetype based on? Definitely not on new players stats/impact. I refer to interceptions since it was said hands and intelligence, which were nerfed, directly impact that.

These guys were also successful from the start throughout their entire careers. Not only had an easier start thanks to much lower TPE overall average throughout the league but also benefited in their peak with an archetype that wasn't nerfed then and gave them much more possibilities to spent their TPE on.


S9 Archetype Changes - timeconsumer - 07-05-2018

(07-05-2018, 02:17 PM)majesiu Wrote:Okay, then what was the nerf of man-to-man archetype based on? Definitely not on new players stats/impact. I refer to interceptions since it was said hands and intelligence, which were nerfed, directly impact that.

These guys were also successful from the start throughout their entire careers. Not only had an easier start thanks to much lower TPE overall average throughout the league but also benefited in their peak with an archetype that wasn't nerfed then and gave them much more possibilities to spent their TPE on.

Can't make everyone happy all the time man. And their career stats aren't that much different because the experience change wasn't live for most of their careers so it balances out.

The archetype change was based upon my tests. Yeah, a man-to-man corner was nerfed in their ability to get INTs compared to a zone corner or an all-around corner. But they are still going to be the best at preventing the defense from getting yards on you because they can catch the WR faster.


S9 Archetype Changes - Bzerkap - 07-05-2018

(07-05-2018, 10:46 AM)majesiu Wrote:Yay, classic "you suck but I suck even more so shut up"
Man you are getting so angry at something we can't really change. You really need to calm down. I'm not even a runningback.

There are only so many things we can fix. I'm actually going to recreate as a corner because it's a needed position. So don't come at me like I'm coming at you. Just trying to make light of an unfortunate situation.


S9 Archetype Changes - majesiu - 07-05-2018

(07-05-2018, 07:35 PM)Bzerkap Wrote:Man you are getting so angry at something we can't really change. You really need to calm down. I'm not even a runningback.

There are only so many things we can fix. I'm actually going to recreate as a corner because it's a needed position. So don't come at me like I'm coming at you. Just trying to make light of an unfortunate situation.

I'm getting angry at something that was just changed and still trying to understand why other than a statement that you can't make everyone happy.

The grief I have is that I'm already a minus player, even though I earn as much TPE as possible, make an effort to have the best build (mostly listening, but started doing my own projections too) and this change makes it almost for nought. Is it me being unreasonable about this fact?

Maybe there is a light there, but I feel really on the short stick of this archetype changes. Good luck playing CB, but with moves like this I guess even fewer players will be happy to play this position and the proposals that I saw in last few seasons to replace the defensive line with bots might be needed.


S9 Archetype Changes - AzhekAhriman - 07-05-2018

You are not a minus player. Replace yourself with someone with 200 tpe less and run some test seasons (will need to be a pretty large chunk to get past the random). The defense will get much much worse. Similarly build a version of yourself with the other old archetypes and same tpe. Same story, worse defense. The difference between archetypes is why this balance decision was made. M2M was far and away better than literally everything else and is still a very competitive archetype.


S9 Archetype Changes - Bzerkap - 07-05-2018

(07-05-2018, 12:13 PM)majesiu Wrote:I'm getting angry at something that was just changed and still trying to understand why other than a statement that you can't make everyone happy.

The grief I have is that I'm already a minus player, even though I earn as much TPE as possible, make an effort to have the best build (mostly listening, but started doing my own projections too) and this change makes it almost for nought. Is it me being unreasonable about this fact?

Maybe there is a light there, but I feel really on the short stick of this archetype changes. Good luck playing CB, but with moves like this I guess even fewer players will be happy to play this position and the proposals that I saw in last few seasons to replace the defensive line with bots might be needed.
This is a sport where every position affects every other position on the field. Your ability to produce statistics is not solely based on you. Look at Philippe Carter for us last season, she lead the league in PDs and hasn't earned a TPE since like S4. But, she is next to a very strong corner in Dermot, two elite safeties in Hardrool and Taylor, a solid LB unit and a solid DL. They're working together to create something. Some people just get the poo poo stats in the defense. Taylor led the team in sacks two seasons ago but this year, to be quite frank his stats were atrocious, but he still helped the team to number 1 PPG defense.

These moves are extremely minor in the long haul. They might affect 2-4 PDs, and 0.5 INTs per season per player, and that's the max players. The starting values weren't changed, so it only affects the upper echelon.

I really think you just need to give it another shot, with a better DL this season you might produce more. You also know from PBE that TPE != production. Why is Ovechkin still good? Why did MacDonald invest like 40 TPE and he went into a slump? We don't have all the answers but we are trying to make the game better for everyone overall.


S9 Archetype Changes - OBESE - 07-05-2018

So do I have to change my max stats for my build now? And what to do if I already have applied more in skill than the new lowered max cap is now?

For example the new pass blocking is 50, but I have already put it to 55.


S9 Archetype Changes - majesiu - 07-05-2018

Okay, my sincere apologies,

I've acted like a hothead after I saw the changes since the blip I got before got my blindsided since it mentioned only buffs to other defensive archetypes and not direct nerf to my archetype, overall Fyodorovich career has been a huge disappointment so far, though he was fortunate enough to get carried into two final appearances.

I wouldn't want anything else than to prove myself wrong about this and will try at least for some time, but if not there is also position/archetype switch to pursue I guess.

Applaud for the effort in making the changes, hopefully, they prove all right and thanks to everyone that they didn't join my shouting match instead offering reasonable responses.


S9 Archetype Changes - AzhekAhriman - 07-05-2018

@OBESE

Updaters will change the maxxes and give you your TPE back for overages. You don't need to do anything.


S9 Archetype Changes - timeconsumer - 07-05-2018

(07-05-2018, 03:35 PM)majesiu Wrote:Okay, my sincere apologies,

I've acted like a hothead after I saw the changes since the blip I got before got my blindsided since it mentioned only buffs to other defensive archetypes and not direct nerf to my archetype, overall Fyodorovich career has been a huge disappointment so far, though he was fortunate enough to get carried into two final appearances.

I wouldn't want anything else than to prove myself wrong about this and will try at least for some time, but if not there is also position/archetype switch to pursue I guess.

Applaud for the effort in making the changes, hopefully, they prove all right and thanks to everyone that they didn't join my shouting match instead offering reasonable responses.

No need to apologize, man. If anyone here knows what it's like to work hard and be a shitty player it's me in PBE. The only difference is that here I can blame our shitty sim for things being broken and you don't have that option.