(07-17-2021, 09:09 AM)AdamS Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 03:35 AM)Jimi64 Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 03:13 AM)AdamS Wrote: And I'm sorry that now there are people reacts g negatively towards others because they kept you a secret. "Oh no I liked Jiggly. Eww gross."

Don't even have a problem with Jiggly here, actually quite sympathetic to the situation and understand why a fresh start was desired. 

But you can't deny some well respected users helped conspire to keep a multi account user secret when not being sure if it was legal for a whole season. Don't think that's kinda messed up? These people were in war rooms at the time of the draft, and it would take a lot of convincing to make me think that knowledge of jggly's second account wasn't used.

No one's trying to deny that multiple respected users were involved as far as I can see. Generally when one points an Ace Attorney style figure to demand that someone admit something is true, there should be some leadup to that being in question first. Rather than everyone already agreeing to it ahead of time. 

Now, as generally agreed by everyone, several high profile users including 3 former members of HO were approached and asked about it and all seem to have come to the conclusion that it was in good faith and not actually against the rules as they existed. I know you framed it as "not sure if legal" and all that conspiratorial negative busoness but there's usually a term for things that aren't in the rulebook. It's legal. And if it wasn't, there wouldn't be not own but two new rules making it illegal. 

Is it messed up? I don't think so. I can think of some other things in the very recent past that were totally messed up though.

I wouldn't expect the league's Rita Skeeter to see the issue with stirring the pot yet again so quickly though. 

Someone wanted something positive and others helped. Others who's judgement is well regarded. If you view that as a negative it's because you brought that negativity with you. Now you may go. I'm sure you have a "what entirely negative opinions about every member of HO" article to work on.

(07-17-2021, 06:55 AM)infinitempg Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 02:47 AM)Jimi64 Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 02:42 AM)negs Wrote: So people knew and still let Philly and London draft knowing well the situation without disclosing to either GM pair? Cmon now

@124715 and @infinitempg , can you explain to me why you kept Jiggly's identity a secret? I don't know the others that well but I hold y'all to a bit of a higher esteem. 

If people were unsure about the legality of this, couldn't it have been cleared with HO in like a day? Why did y'all keep this hidden for an entire season? 

It's frankly infuriating to think both of you had a part in this scheme and let it go on.

Because (a) in my professional opinion it *was* legal and (b) I believe Jiggly deserved a fresh start. If HO wishes to punish me for protecting a user who quite frankly would never have been allowed to recreate peacefully under their old username, so be it.

I stand by this decision fully. I still don’t think YTB should have been punished either. As far as I’m concerned in the interpretation of the old rules (prior to this past rules summit) essentially deactivating your old account and starting new was legal. The definition of multi required active accounts and to some extent, active players on both accounts. And so, I advised Jiggly that it was in fact legal, and to not do anything stupid.

Jiggly was my first GM. While we certainly have been on opposite sides of many league issues, they are at least one user who does not deserve the amount of ridicule they get. And that’s why I did what I did.

(07-17-2021, 09:55 AM)Bayley Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 06:55 AM)infinitempg Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 02:47 AM)Jimi64 Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 02:42 AM)negs Wrote: So people knew and still let Philly and London draft knowing well the situation without disclosing to either GM pair? Cmon now

@124715 and @infinitempg , can you explain to me why you kept Jiggly's identity a secret? I don't know the others that well but I hold y'all to a bit of a higher esteem. 

If people were unsure about the legality of this, couldn't it have been cleared with HO in like a day? Why did y'all keep this hidden for an entire season? 

It's frankly infuriating to think both of you had a part in this scheme and let it go on.

Because (a) in my professional opinion it *was* legal and (b) I believe Jiggly deserved a fresh start. If HO wishes to punish me for protecting a user who quite frankly would never have been allowed to recreate peacefully under their old username, so be it.

I stand by this decision fully. I still don’t think YTB should have been punished either. As far as I’m concerned in the interpretation of the old rules (prior to this past rules summit) essentially deactivating your old account and starting new was legal. The definition of multi required active accounts and to some extent, active players on both accounts. And so, I advised Jiggly that it was in fact legal, and to not do anything stupid.

Jiggly was my first GM. While we certainly have been on opposite sides of many league issues, they are at least one user who does not deserve the amount of ridicule they get. And that’s why I did what I did.

I stand with this wholeheartedly. I indeed knew as well. I think this is about enjoying a fucking league. Jiggly created a new persona, who the hell cares? We are all creating our own persona as a username. Does it sting or hurt to know you've been lied to, sure, to Moris point, I absolutely understand your side. My thing is, we're all catfishing. Who knows if anything we say is true to the next person? I think that Jiggly was always going to have their name follow. I do think that it was hurting their ability enjoy a fun thing we do to literally escape real life. If you're mad about this, think to yourself, was anything malicious? Was Jiggly as taka hurting your ability to enjoy the league? Because, Jiggly being Jiggly was hurting their ability to have fun in the league.

To @nunccoepi , if Jiggly didn't come out, it was coming out in the way of a punishment thread from HO for the rookie tasks.

Thats all, go bash me or whatever now. My DMs are open. I'm sorry this happened, Jiggly. I really am.

(07-17-2021, 09:55 AM)Bayley Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 06:55 AM)infinitempg Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 02:47 AM)Jimi64 Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 02:42 AM)negs Wrote: So people knew and still let Philly and London draft knowing well the situation without disclosing to either GM pair? Cmon now

@124715 and @infinitempg , can you explain to me why you kept Jiggly's identity a secret? I don't know the others that well but I hold y'all to a bit of a higher esteem. 

If people were unsure about the legality of this, couldn't it have been cleared with HO in like a day? Why did y'all keep this hidden for an entire season? 

It's frankly infuriating to think both of you had a part in this scheme and let it go on.

Because (a) in my professional opinion it *was* legal and (b) I believe Jiggly deserved a fresh start. If HO wishes to punish me for protecting a user who quite frankly would never have been allowed to recreate peacefully under their old username, so be it.

I stand by this decision fully. I still don’t think YTB should have been punished either. As far as I’m concerned in the interpretation of the old rules (prior to this past rules summit) essentially deactivating your old account and starting new was legal. The definition of multi required active accounts and to some extent, active players on both accounts. And so, I advised Jiggly that it was in fact legal, and to not do anything stupid.

Jiggly was my first GM. While we certainly have been on opposite sides of many league issues, they are at least one user who does not deserve the amount of ridicule they get. And that’s why I did what I did.

I stand with this wholeheartedly. I indeed knew as well. I think this is about enjoying a fucking league. Jiggly created a new persona, who the hell cares? We are all creating our own persona as a username. Does it sting or hurt to know you've been lied to, sure, to Moris point, I absolutely understand your side. My thing is, we're all catfishing. Who knows if anything we say is true to the next person? I think that Jiggly was always going to have their name follow. I do think that it was hurting their ability enjoy a fun thing we do to literally escape real life. If you're mad about this, think to yourself, was anything malicious? Was Jiggly as taka hurting your ability to enjoy the league? Because, Jiggly being Jiggly was hurting their ability to have fun in the league.

To @nunccoepi , if Jiggly didn't come out, it was coming out in the way of a punishment thread from HO for the rookie tasks.

Thats all, go bash me or whatever now. My DMs are open. I'm sorry this happened, Jiggly. I really am.

(07-17-2021, 10:56 AM)zeagle1 Wrote: can someone tell me what the fuck hololive is? and what a vtuber is? I've never felt more like a boomer than I do right now

(07-17-2021, 11:01 AM)unconfident69 Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 10:56 AM)zeagle1 Wrote: can someone tell me what the fuck hololive is? and what a vtuber is? I've never felt more like a boomer than I do right now

Hololive is a Youtube talent agency that has a bunch of Vtubers on it. A Vtuber (virtual youtuber) is a youtuber who does youtuber stuff, but instead of using a facecam they use a computer generated and motion tracked anime avatar. I dont personally enjoy it but i can see the appeal