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*Carmel Gibson has spent too much TPE - 124715 - 08-18-2017
(08-18-2017, 11:40 AM)37thchamber Wrote:Well, the thread lock is in the moderation log, right? So the window is the time between his "fixed it" comment, and the lock action in the moderation log... right?
If there was a way to see when he edited the post, that would put all of this beyond doubt, but I don't think that's stored anywhere that's easily accessible... it's possibly in the forum dbase (it's been a long time since I used invision, tbh) but I have no idea if anyone has access to it ... though I'm guessing no, since this appears to be on a 3rd party host site rather than server space owned by someone in the community.
I'm seriously trying to understand how this happened too. Can't suggest solutions or preventative measures if I don't know what caused the problem in the first place :/
Nah, I get that. What I'm saying is that if he was approved with correct stats and added the TPE afterwards, he couldn't have done it through his update page, since the player page would have to have been edited by an updater.
With that possibility eliminated, I can only see two possibilities:
1. it was erroneously approved
2. he edited his player page between being approved and the thread being locked
....unless I'm misunderstanding how things work here.
it appears Noble selected the "lock thread immediately after posting" so it would almost certainly have to be option 1.
*Carmel Gibson has spent too much TPE - Admin - 08-18-2017
I truly appreciate @124715 bringing this to our attention. We are waiting for a few parties to reply back but the head office is working on this as we speak. Even if we take a couple days to straighten the entire situation out I think it's safe to say we will be knocking Gibson's build down to 50 TPE before today's sim.
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*Carmel Gibson has spent too much TPE - 124715 - 08-18-2017
(08-18-2017, 11:43 AM)manicmav36 Wrote:While some of these are solid suggestions, it's hard to ignore the bias of some of the players suggesting them. For instance, we had a Wraiths player suggesting we lose all tie-breakers. We're currently tied with them for first place and split our games 1-1 with them. Of course he wants the automatic tie-breaker win. Then we have a TE trumpeting the boosted TPE for when they play us. That one needs no explanation.
Again, I'm not saying these are bad ideas, it's just hard to take them seriously when they're suggested or trumpeted by people who directly benefit from them. I'm interested to see how the league handles this.
Well, would you like to suggest something?
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*Carmel Gibson has spent too much TPE - 7hawk77 - 08-18-2017
(08-18-2017, 09:43 AM)manicmav36 Wrote:While some of these are solid suggestions, it's hard to ignore the bias of some of the players suggesting them. For instance, we had a Wraiths player suggesting we lose all tie-breakers. We're currently tied with them for first place and split our games 1-1 with them. Of course he wants the automatic tie-breaker win. Then we have a TE trumpeting the boosted TPE for when they play us. That one needs no explanation.
Again, I'm not saying these are bad ideas, it's just hard to take them seriously when they're suggested or trumpeted by people who directly benefit from them. I'm interested to see how the league handles this.
I feel like my suggestion is more than fair. The SJS and LVL are both basically knocked out of play offs so even if we got to boost our TE's TPE by an amount when we played you again, it's not like it would be a meaningful at all to our season.
Hypothetically, if that TE boosted stats were the difference between winning and losing to the hawks earlier in the season, it's possible we could have been in playoff contention and then we probably wouldn't have gone in to rebuild mode. But now that we've traded away two really strong players for future picks, probably doesn't matter for us.
*Carmel Gibson has spent too much TPE - manicmav36 - 08-18-2017
(08-18-2017, 10:48 AM)124715 Wrote:Well, would you like to suggest something?
I mean, I know you're joking but, I don't have a good solution.
Again, I didn't say they were bad ideas, just pointing out that the bias makes it tough to take them seriously. The TE boost is a little easier to swallow as it was suggested by a player that doesn't play TE though.
*Carmel Gibson has spent too much TPE - kckolbe - 08-18-2017
(08-18-2017, 08:43 AM)manicmav36 Wrote:Again, I'm not saying these are bad ideas, it's just hard to take them seriously when they're suggested or trumpeted by people who directly benefit from them. I'm interested to see how the league handles this.
By your own logic, your OWN point can not be taken seriously. Being aware of bias is important, but so is the ability to determine the value of a suggestion. Suggesting that an idea not be taken seriously due to the person rather than the merit of the idea is an ad hominem fallacy. It is actually less responsible than discounting bias.
The Hawks won FOUR of their seven games by one possession, three by only a field goal. In one of those three games (against the Outlaws), Gibson was the team's leading receiver. I think there is a strong case that Baltimore would have lost that game had it not been for Gibson's extra TPE. Yet despite that, note that I did NOT suggest they be barred from playoffs or that their wins be adjusted. I suggested something more moderate, namely barring their tiebreaker advantage.
*Carmel Gibson has spent too much TPE - 37thchamber - 08-18-2017
(08-18-2017, 04:52 PM)7hawk77 Wrote:I feel like my suggestion is more than fair. The SJS and LVL are both basically knocked out of play offs so even if we got to boost our TE's TPE by an amount when we played you again, it's not like it would be a meaningful at all to our season.
But could still potentially prevent the Hawks from making the playoffs when it would have been unfairly achieved... hmmm... I can see the fairness here.
I mean... I don't like it, but I get it, lol.
Similar thing goes for the tiebreakers suggestion. These are things that could equalise the situation to some degree.
*Carmel Gibson has spent too much TPE - 7hawk77 - 08-18-2017
Maybe I should stop stirring the pot because I'm bored.
or maybe the hawks should have to re-sim ALL OF THEIR CHEATER GAMES.
one or the other really...
*Carmel Gibson has spent too much TPE - Bwestfield - 08-18-2017
Just for clarification, when I wrote the post "Updated" I didnt actually do anything to the player. I saw that he has not claimed anything and replied so I was the last one to touch the updates page. I do that so I know quickly where I left off and so I know that each player is up to date with a quick glance.
*Carmel Gibson has spent too much TPE - manicmav36 - 08-18-2017
(08-18-2017, 10:53 AM)kckolbe Wrote:By your own logic, your OWN point can not be taken seriously. Being aware of bias is important, but so is the ability to determine the value of a suggestion. Suggesting that an idea not be taken seriously due to the person rather than the merit of the idea is an ad hominem fallacy. It is actually less responsible than discounting bias.
The Hawks won FOUR of their seven games by one possession, three by only a field goal. In one of those three games (against the Outlaws), Gibson was the team's leading receiver. I think there is a strong case that Baltimore would have lost that game had it not been for Gibson's extra TPE. Yet despite that, note that I did NOT suggest they be barred from playoffs or that their wins be adjusted. I suggested something more moderate, namely barring their tiebreaker advantage.
Again, I never said any of the ideas were a bad idea, just pointing out something else to consider. My goal was never to insult or offend, and I apologize if that's how it came across.