(07-17-2021, 01:35 PM)SwankyPants31 Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 12:40 PM)SDCore Wrote: What the actual fuck is wrong with people in this league. Why are people mad @infinitempg. Honestly, he didn't do anything wrong except be a nice guy and not betray an individuals confidence. This league has some serious meglomaniac personas who think they are bigger than an individual. Jiggly, a person I've notoriously not gotten on with, created a new account to shed some of the old stigma, came clean and outs the people who help him and you all help shit on those individuals. Are you fucking kidding me? Infy has done more for this league than pretty much anyone, yet in one sweeping blow he is villainized by people. Even people who were close to him. Honestly fucking disgusting and disappointing.

This is the correct take. As others have pointed out in the thread what Infinite helped Jiggly do was well within the rules at the time and that only changed due to the most recent rules summit. I also believe Infinite when he says that he respected Jiggly's wishes and kept that information confidential. I understand that people are upset about this, most notably Philly and London since they essentially lost out on a player/pick, but trying to take it out on Infinite is the wrong move.

(07-17-2021, 10:24 AM)Punter715 Wrote: I've seen this idea of, "we're all anonymous, so what's the difference" thrown out a few times, and while I think it comes from the right place and I get the meaning, to me it's the single biggest reason why these second accounts are wrong. Unless we choose to be, we are all anonymous and that means that you are relying on others to be truthful to a strong degree. To be a member of a community like this you have to believe that others are acting in good faith. That is required by both sides. 

If someone with possibly a bad reputation wants to come back and make a new name for themselves they should in 99.999% of situations be allowed to do so, and should be allowed to do it without being harassed or bullied or anything like that. With that, though, the other users here have the right to make that choice for themselves. If you hide who you are you are taking that choice away from them, and that's not fair.

(07-17-2021, 01:36 PM)Swanty Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 12:45 PM)run_CMC Wrote: imagine HO making a rule that clearly targets a person’s current situation in order to resolve it (oh well HO does HO things that’s their job), but then responding by coming after the people who were essentially just protecting a dude from being continuing to be bullied. Couldn’t be the ISFL right?

To confirm, HO has no interest in 'coming after' anyone who was aware of this beforehand.

(07-17-2021, 01:45 PM)Punter715 Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 01:29 PM)jdourtled Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 11:08 AM)zeagle1 Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 11:01 AM)unconfident69 Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 10:56 AM)zeagle1 Wrote: can someone tell me what the fuck hololive is? and what a vtuber is? I've never felt more like a boomer than I do right now

Hololive is a Youtube talent agency that has a bunch of Vtubers on it. A Vtuber (virtual youtuber) is a youtuber who does youtuber stuff, but instead of using a facecam they use a computer generated and motion tracked anime avatar. I dont personally enjoy it but i can see the appeal

that... actually makes sense lol

Thanks dude!

You can also become a talking hamburger, which I feel is the most important part

If you could become a hot dog, would you eat yourself?

(07-17-2021, 01:45 PM)Punter715 Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 01:29 PM)jdourtled Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 11:08 AM)zeagle1 Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 11:01 AM)unconfident69 Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 10:56 AM)zeagle1 Wrote: can someone tell me what the fuck hololive is? and what a vtuber is? I've never felt more like a boomer than I do right now

Hololive is a Youtube talent agency that has a bunch of Vtubers on it. A Vtuber (virtual youtuber) is a youtuber who does youtuber stuff, but instead of using a facecam they use a computer generated and motion tracked anime avatar. I dont personally enjoy it but i can see the appeal

that... actually makes sense lol

Thanks dude!

You can also become a talking hamburger, which I feel is the most important part

If you could become a hot dog, would you eat yourself?

(07-17-2021, 02:08 PM)run_CMC Wrote: i should’ve said, but then OTHER PEOPLE respond by (etc)
sincerely sorry about my mistake. People coming after infinite and co rn are being dumb. HO has done nothing wrong and deserves no flak either. Very sorry about that, Ik HO gets shit on enough as it is lol

(07-17-2021, 01:52 PM)Punter715 Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 01:35 PM)SwankyPants31 Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 12:40 PM)SDCore Wrote: What the actual fuck is wrong with people in this league. Why are people mad @infinitempg. Honestly, he didn't do anything wrong except be a nice guy and not betray an individuals confidence. This league has some serious meglomaniac personas who think they are bigger than an individual. Jiggly, a person I've notoriously not gotten on with, created a new account to shed some of the old stigma, came clean and outs the people who help him and you all help shit on those individuals. Are you fucking kidding me? Infy has done more for this league than pretty much anyone, yet in one sweeping blow he is villainized by people. Even people who were close to him. Honestly fucking disgusting and disappointing.

This is the correct take. As others have pointed out in the thread what Infinite helped Jiggly do was well within the rules at the time and that only changed due to the most recent rules summit. I also believe Infinite when he says that he respected Jiggly's wishes and kept that information confidential. I understand that people are upset about this, most notably Philly and London since they essentially lost out on a player/pick, but trying to take it out on Infinite is the wrong move.

So after what you and SD said here I had to back and read all the prior comments. No one, at least not from Philly, insinuated and punishment be lobbied at Infinite. Jimi asked him and numbers for just an explanation as to why they kept it a secret. The only time, "punishment for conspiring" even came up was Raven making a joke.

For the record, I don't want a punishment for Infinite or anyone involved. I'd rather just move on and hopefully enjoy the new season.

(07-17-2021, 01:35 PM)SwankyPants31 Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 12:40 PM)SDCore Wrote: What the actual fuck is wrong with people in this league. Why are people mad @infinitempg. Honestly, he didn't do anything wrong except be a nice guy and not betray an individuals confidence. This league has some serious meglomaniac personas who think they are bigger than an individual. Jiggly, a person I've notoriously not gotten on with, created a new account to shed some of the old stigma, came clean and outs the people who help him and you all help shit on those individuals. Are you fucking kidding me? Infy has done more for this league than pretty much anyone, yet in one sweeping blow he is villainized by people. Even people who were close to him. Honestly fucking disgusting and disappointing.

This is the correct take. As others have pointed out in the thread what Infinite helped Jiggly do was well within the rules at the time and that only changed due to the most recent rules summit. I also believe Infinite when he says that he respected Jiggly's wishes and kept that information confidential. I understand that people are upset about this, most notably Philly and London since they essentially lost out on a player/pick, but trying to take it out on Infinite is the wrong move.

(07-17-2021, 04:04 PM)CommishDrip Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 01:35 PM)SwankyPants31 Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 12:40 PM)SDCore Wrote: What the actual fuck is wrong with people in this league. Why are people mad @infinitempg. Honestly, he didn't do anything wrong except be a nice guy and not betray an individuals confidence. This league has some serious meglomaniac personas who think they are bigger than an individual. Jiggly, a person I've notoriously not gotten on with, created a new account to shed some of the old stigma, came clean and outs the people who help him and you all help shit on those individuals. Are you fucking kidding me? Infy has done more for this league than pretty much anyone, yet in one sweeping blow he is villainized by people. Even people who were close to him. Honestly fucking disgusting and disappointing.

This is the correct take. As others have pointed out in the thread what Infinite helped Jiggly do was well within the rules at the time and that only changed due to the most recent rules summit. I also believe Infinite when he says that he respected Jiggly's wishes and kept that information confidential. I understand that people are upset about this, most notably Philly and London since they essentially lost out on a player/pick, but trying to take it out on Infinite is the wrong move.

  
Agreed with both of these. I think trying to help somebody have fun and be involved in a way that isn't harmful to anybody (minus Philly and London) should not cause what has happened. Personally, I think that we all know Infinite and that they have the best interest of the league and the players at heart. We should use this to set precedence in rule changes for the future, especially because I don't think (and I bet a lot of you agree with me) that this league is done growing yet. I hope that the league is around for a lot more time, and that dedicated users don't feel ashamed for trying to help out other users become a bigger part of our community. 


Also, I wasn't around for jiggly the first time, and I haven't heard of them until this. Was he a bad guy? I've gotten a little info and it seems like they didn't intentionally hurt someone or do anything extremely bad. So If it was a multi or phoenix or whatever for someone who intentionally hurt another user, or is a bad person, then I would get the backlash. I definitely don't have all the info, but I do believe that it's unfair to judge how terrible or bad a person is if they are just strange. 

I'm gonna go do my predictions.