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*Bradley Westfield has spent too much TPE - ItsJustBarry - 08-29-2018
**SCANDAL ALERT**
Bradley Westfield has been an enigma at the WR position. Nobody has been quite able to explain his success -- until now.
First, what got me looking into the most successful wide receiver’s attributes anyways?
RedCydranth Wrote:Also, he [Westfield] has 1 more season of play left. So there's still one more year of stats to add on. So, realistically Trey has less of a shot.
My original goal was to see how Westfield had earned and regressed during his career as I begin to map out the twilight years for myself. I was looking to see where he started each season TPE wise and what his production was.
Let’s take a look shall we?
Westfield is a Route Runner WR:
(MAX: 70) Strength: 30
(MAX: 95) Agility: 70
(MAX: 25) Arm: 1
(MAX: 80) Intelligence: 50
(MAX: 25) Throwing Accuracy: 1
(MAX: 35) Tackling: 20
(MAX: 95) Speed: 65
(MAX: 90) Hands: 60
(MAX: 35) Pass Blocking: 10
(MAX: 35) Run Blocking: 10
(MAX: 100) Endurance: 60
(MAX: 25) Kick Power: 1
(MAX: 25) Kick Accuracy: 1
From Westfield's player page (this jibes with the sim index as well):
(MAX: 65) Strength: 60
(MAX: 100) Agility: 80
(MAX: 25) Arm: 1
(MAX: 90) Intelligence: 66
(MAX: 25) Throwing Accuracy: 1
(MAX: 35) Tackling: 1
(MAX: 95) Speed: 95
(MAX: 90) Hands: 86
(MAX: 35) Pass Blocking: 1
(MAX: 35) Run Blocking: 1
(MAX: 100) Endurance: 90
(MAX: 25) Kick Power: 1
(MAX: 25) Kick Accuracy: 1
Westfield has regressed twice now. Each time, he has taken less beneficial attributes below the build minimum. How did this slip through?
And what can be done about this player, who has played above his TPE for 30 games now?
While I may be judgmental, the ruling on this is not up to me. Let’s see how other people feel about this behavior.
Kristy95 Wrote:Yeah this is a huge problem and needs to be addressed. Even if no foul play happened, this causes for changes in how things are handled or maybe the loss of some draft picks for the team or maybe the removal of those that missed the extra TPE spent. I am not sure, but honestly I hope this is not just pushed under a rug and ignored. This is a huge injustice and needs to be addressed harshly.
4D Chess Wrote:Wow.... this is really bad.
Honestly, this player may need to be banned. I know foul play is ruled out but this is not acceptable and they've plhdd 30 games now with a WR with fake atts.
Again, not blaming anyone but the FO needs to come down really hard on this.
adam2552 Wrote:I think the player should be suspended for the remainder of the season/playoffs and not be eligible for any season awards/pro bowl.
I do not think the team should be punished unless there is definitive proof that they were involved in this (which I strongly doubt is the case).
Finally, a voice of reason.
manicmav36 Wrote:You're setting a dangerous precedent here.
Regardless of the wise warning, let’s take a look at the ruling the last time something like this occurred.
(08-18-2017, 01:20 PM)AsylumParty Wrote:After some deliberation among the head office regarding Carmel Gibson and the Hawks, we've decided not to punish the team for the actions of an individual.
There was no malicious intent on the Hawks' end, no evidence proving otherwise, and we don't believe that taking action just because we can is fair or reasonable. In addition, without any way to positively be sure his presence made a game changing impact, we've decided it wouldn't be right, or set a good precedent to compensate opposing teams.
As for Gibson himself, he will be reverted to 50 TPE asap, suspended for the remainder of the season without the potential for any awards, or the ability to claim ACs or TCs.
As the precedent has already been set, the only reasonable outcome would be: suspended for the remainder of the season without the potential for any awards, or the ability to claim ACs or TCs, right?
*Bradley Westfield has spent too much TPE - speculadora - 08-29-2018
for fuck's sake, his regression has been approved for 3 seasons now. this is oversight, not malicious overspending. get over it.
*Bradley Westfield has spent too much TPE - ItsJustBarry - 08-29-2018
(08-29-2018, 07:49 AM)speculadora Wrote:for fuck's sake, his regression has been approved for 3 seasons now. this is oversight, not malicious overspending. get over it.
Welcome! You must be new here. That's not how these things work.
*Bradley Westfield has spent too much TPE - nunccoepi - 08-29-2018
(08-29-2018, 07:42 AM)ItsJustBarry Wrote:As the precedent has already been set, the only reasonable outcome would be: suspended for the remainder of the season without the potential for any awards, or the ability to claim ACs or TCs, right?
Now I may be new here too but it seems like the precedent also includes reverting him back to 50tpe asap. ???????
*Bradley Westfield has spent too much TPE - majesiu - 08-29-2018
Just have it corrected and don't make revisionists history and witch hunting from it.
Nobody was making big deal and just adjusted minimums when some Cornerbacks played with too high attributes for almost whole season 9 despite changes made to the archetypes before season started.
And since you are trying to make it a team issue judging by your responses to speculadora and qoute of their GM comment as motivation - the case of the Cornerbacks concerned 4 Hawks Cornerbacks. Do you want them suspended and punished too?
*Bradley Westfield has spent too much TPE - Molarpistols - 08-29-2018
Title is misleading. He technically spent the exact amount of TPE that he had, it was just in more useful stats than tackling and blocking.
The precedent to go to 50 TPE was set by a player that hadn't actually earned any TPE, and should not apply here.
This oversight was missed by me as a GM, Spec as a GM, Westy himself as a GM, TC as OCO Consigliere, whoever our updaters have been (too many to count), including in emergencies, Bovo and I believe Bzerkap and Oles. Lastly, regression has been approved thrice by none other than our newly elected commish, Adwyer.
Thanks for your excellent detective work though, perhaps you should apply for an updater job so you can police everybody? I know Bovo took over head updater in hopes of it being temporary. Perhaps you could start some updater training to ensure this doesn't happen in the future.
As for the inconsistency between the sim and his player page, he doesn't place his own stats in, so that oversight would be linked to either updaters putting it in the sheet wrong, or the simmer updating the simfile incorrectly and it getting approved by HO. Neither of which is on the Otters. Also. his player page is post-regression and I assume you're using last-season's simfile which already isn't an accurate representation.
*Bradley Westfield has spent too much TPE - Molarpistols - 08-29-2018
Nvm
*Bradley Westfield has spent too much TPE - kckolbe - 08-29-2018
(08-29-2018, 06:20 AM)majesiu Wrote:Just have it corrected and don't make revisionists history and witch hunting from it.
Nobody was making big deal and just adjusted minimums when some Cornerbacks played with too high attributes for almost whole season 9 despite changes made to the archetypes before season started.
And since you are trying to make it a team issue judging by your responses to speculadora and qoute of their GM comment as motivation - the case of the Cornerbacks concerned 4 Hawks Cornerbacks. Do you want them suspended and punished too?
I didn't know about this, but not surprised. Baltimore has a rich history of illegal players.
*Bradley Westfield has spent too much TPE - majesiu - 08-29-2018
(08-29-2018, 02:41 PM)Molarpistols Wrote:Also, first hawks player i looked at is also below minimum on tackling and both blocking stats... Hawks lose draft picks too!
Hawks WR Player Page
Oh, and what's this!?!
Trey Willie HIMSELF
Well, hate to break it to you, but different archetypes have different minimums and neither of those players got below them. Plus it's not some player but Vinny Valentine (which I respect, that's why I'm putting his name if it's not clear).
*Bradley Westfield has spent too much TPE - Molarpistols - 08-29-2018
(08-29-2018, 08:47 AM)majesiu Wrote:Well, hate to break it to you, but different archetypes have different minimums and neither of those players got below them. Plus it's not some player but Vinny Valentine (which I respect, that's why I'm putting his name if it's not clear).
My bad, i misread the page and it's too early in the morning...