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*S13 Rule Proposals - bovovovo - 01-26-2019

Below is a list of all the rules that have been proposed by GMs and is now being voted on by GMs/HO. Rules need at least 10/15 votes to pass and HO reserves the right to slightly tweak rules should they pass to prevent unforseen issues (like that one silly time when gloves gave more tpe than any other equipment)


1. Late Joiner TPE to help bring users who join at an inefficient time up to speed. For every week after the previous draft deadline the user creates, they will receive:
2nd week: 6 tpe (AC + trivia)
3rd weeek: 6 tpe (AC + trivia)
4th week: 7 tpe (AC + 1/2 of Ultimus Week)
5th week: 6 tpe (AC + Trivia)
Every week after: 6 tpe


2. Each team that does not have their award/probowl votes in by the deadline will be fined 2.5m in cap space. Every HO will be fined to their bank account.


3. Players must be retired for a minimum of 3 seasons before they are eligible for a HOF vote.


4. Players must win at least 1 award (pro bowl, positional award, MPV, etc.) to be considered for the HOF.


5. If a team's GM is in the NSFL Draft and that team did not make the playoffs, they must select that player with their earliest second round pick (as normal). If they did make the playoffs they must select that player with their earliest first round pick.



6. Switches to QB are allowed, but for QB you can only move 25% of your TPE and you must also forfeit your archetype switch, it will still cost 4m. If you don't have an archetype switch you cannot switch to QB. This hinders a team who is trying to switch a high TPE player by limiting them even more, and it doesn't allow them to circumvent the rule with archetype switching.

DSFL Rookies would still be able to switch normally, this is only for NSFL players.



7. Every single team has the same TPE for each offensive lineman. The number I come to is 550 TPE given that almost every team buys bots of some quantity at that level. Since we are adding set bots (and you do not have to pay for them) I propose we decrease the cap by 15M. Every single team is spending at least 16.5 on their line and some teams even more than that. The increased cap room (ranging from 1.5M to 17M) will make Free Agency much more exciting in this league.

((If this rule passes it will not be implemented until the S14 season to give GMs time to adjust))



8. If a rookie signs a 1 year contract, they can only sign at most a 2 year extension.

(There is currently no rule in place that can stop a team from offering a rookie a one year deal, then immediately offering them a 3 year extension, effectively bending the rules to offer a player a 4 year rookie contract. This is not good for the league, and should not be allowed, this rule will take care of that.)



9. Remove the following rule from the rulebook:

Quote:TPE may be redistributed once per season. You may redistribute up to 50 TPE a year, once a year, for 100k per TPE (maximum of 5m). Once you have done it in a season you cannot do it again until the next season, and you cannot go into debt to pay for this transaction, you must have all the money available in some way in order for this to be done.

(This rule undermines and essentially ruins proposals like the QB proposal above, or any future ruling about editing position or archetype switches. It should be removed immediately)



10. Just keep all contract maximums at 3 years in length, just because theres really no need for extra long contracts, just makes using the sheet worse, theyre only ever used for memes, and theyre never carried to their full length



11. Provide users who create OLs a "TPE boost" so that being an OL is a viable career path for users who wish to pursue it. This TPE boost would be forfeit should the user position switch.

The positional TPE boost would scale appropriately to provide the real OL player a comparable fit for the team. A small committee would need to flesh out the details here, but a scaled system for OL would probably apply around 250 - 300 positional TPE. TPE boost would be applied at the beginning of the season.


*S13 Rule Proposals - Bwestfield - 01-26-2019

I am just going to provide my opinions here. Everyone always has different view points on these and I just wanted to make sure that I got to write up what I thought and maybe a GM will see where I am coming from as well.

1.) Stop trying to give away free TPE. Users who don't join at the perfect time will still have great careers as long as they continue to update and be active in the league.

2.) This should pass. There is no reason for a GM, CoGM or HO to not have these done. There is plenty of time to get it done. If both GM and CoGM aren't around for the week or two they are posted they should have someone in their war room work with a HO member to get the post done.

3.) I can go either way here, I guess I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish.

4.) Nope, accomplishments go beyond the yearly awards.

5.) I understand why you would want this. But I believe it should be latest first round pick.

6.) This whole switching a player to QB thing is terrible. I understand why people do it but I think you shouldn't be switching a player to QB just because they have a high TPE. This rule is in the right direction but I think there just needs to be something more.

7.) What about if there is OL in the draft? Right now if they get drafted it's money the team doesn't spend. Your making it so the team has to pay no matter what.

8.) What if they sign them for 3 years and offer them an extension of 3 years on the last year... That's like 6 years!!

9.) I don't quite know how I feel about this one.

10.) This could work, you could also implement a dead cap rule if you break contracts. Based on a percentage of the contract.

11.) No


*S13 Rule Proposals - SwagSloth - 01-26-2019

Honestly, I think I really like the QB rule. This really helps people who create as a QB in the DSFL.

I'm not necessarily an opponent of the current system in place. It's hard for teams to get by without a high TPE QB, so having a high TPE player switch is sometimes the only realistic solution. However, this would force teams to plan ahead and boost the value of young QBs in drafts/trades, which would probably be good for the league in the long run.


*S13 Rule Proposals - nunccoepi - 01-26-2019

(01-26-2019, 01:58 PM)bovovovo Wrote:Below is a list of all the rules that have been proposed by GMs and is now being voted on by GMs/HO. Rules need at least 10/15 votes to pass and HO reserves the right to slightly tweak rules should they pass to prevent unforseen issues (like that one silly time when gloves gave more tpe than any other equipment)


1. Late Joiner TPE to help bring users who join at an inefficient time up to speed. For every week after the previous draft deadline the user creates, they will receive:
2nd week: 6 tpe (AC + trivia)
3rd weeek: 6 tpe (AC + trivia)
4th week: 7 tpe (AC + 1/2 of Ultimus Week)
5th week: 6 tpe (AC + Trivia)
Every week after: 6 tpe


2. Each team that does not have their award/probowl votes in by the deadline will be fined 2.5m in cap space. Every HO will be fined to their bank account.


3. Players must be retired for a minimum of 3 seasons before they are eligible for a HOF vote.


4. Players must win at least 1 award (pro bowl, positional award, MPV, etc.) to be considered for the HOF.


5. If a team's GM is in the NSFL Draft and that team did not make the playoffs, they must select that player with their earliest second round pick (as normal). If they did make the playoffs they must select that player with their earliest first round pick.



6. Switches to QB are allowed, but for QB you can only move 25% of your TPE and you must also forfeit your archetype switch, it will still cost 4m. If you don't have an archetype switch you cannot switch to QB. This hinders a team who is trying to switch a high TPE player by limiting them even more, and it doesn't allow them to circumvent the rule with archetype switching.

DSFL Rookies would still be able to switch normally, this is only for NSFL players.



7. Every single team has the same TPE for each offensive lineman. The number I come to is 550 TPE given that almost every team buys bots of some quantity at that level. Since we are adding set bots (and you do not have to pay for them) I propose we decrease the cap by 15M. Every single team is spending at least 16.5 on their line and some teams even more than that. The increased cap room (ranging from 1.5M to 17M) will make Free Agency much more exciting in this league.

((If this rule passes it will not be implemented until the S14 season to give GMs time to adjust))



8. If a rookie signs a 1 year contract, they can only sign at most a 2 year extension.

(There is currently no rule in place that can stop a team from offering a rookie a one year deal, then immediately offering them a 3 year extension, effectively bending the rules to offer a player a 4 year rookie contract. This is not good for the league, and should not be allowed, this rule will take care of that.)



9. Remove the following rule from the rulebook:



(This rule undermines and essentially ruins proposals like the QB proposal above, or any future ruling about editing position or archetype switches. It should be removed immediately)



10. Just keep all contract maximums at 3 years in length, just because theres really no need for extra long contracts, just makes using the sheet worse, theyre only ever used for memes, and theyre never carried to their full length



11. Provide users who create OLs a "TPE boost" so that being an OL is a viable career path for users who wish to pursue it. This TPE boost would be forfeit should the user position switch.

The positional TPE boost would scale appropriately to provide the real OL player a comparable fit for the team. A small committee would need to flesh out the details here, but a scaled system for OL would probably apply around 250 - 300 positional TPE. TPE boost would be applied at the beginning of the season.

1. Eh I don't hate it, but I don't think its necessary either. A user who updates will do well in the league regardless of an extra starting 5-20tpe. Also, it would need to be worded better.

2. 100% behind this. No excuse for not voting.

3. I think this one too because I think recency bias is a real thing. If a mediocre player just came off of a great season and Ultimus victory and whatever else, that's going to stick out in voters' minds and may make them seem more "great" than they really were. 2-3 seasons is long enough for hype to settle and evaluate a player's career in full context.

4. Not necessary. Players can be great without the accolades.

5. I've always felt that this was unfair anyway. A GM player is going to be an immediate contributor and first round talent. They should be taken in the first round imo.

6. Super complicated, but I get the sentiment. Something needs to be done about this.

7. I got bored reading this one. Didn't even read it all the way.

8. Sure, but i don't know how often this happens really.

9. Would that also hurt those who have maxed and are trying to bank equipment tpe? because I need that to keep my peak form.

10. Disagree

11. Sure, there should be something done about it.


*S13 Rule Proposals - manicmav36 - 01-26-2019

(01-26-2019, 06:27 PM)Bwestfield Wrote:3.) I can go either way here, I guess I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish.

4.) Nope, accomplishments go beyond the yearly awards.

So I'll explain my reasoning on these 2 as they were my suggestions.

With #3 it's important to have a period of time between when a player retires and when they're up to a vote for HO because:
1) It helps to remove recency bias
2) It helps to give us a better picture as to how a player's career compares to and affected the league.

This is a common rule in every sport (literally every major sport has this in the real world) and PBE will be implementing a similar rule

With #4, I 100% agree that accomplishments go beyond yearly rewards. I, however, challenge you to show me one player that is HOF worthy in the NSFL that was never on a Pro Bowl roster once or won an end of season award. There isn't a single one.
As HOF voting currently stands, GMs and HO members have to scroll through EVERY single player that retired in order make their vote. This can be incredibly daunting with large retirement classes and a player can inevitaby be missed by a GM when voting. In fact, we've already seen it happen once. This is just a common sense rule that will make everything a little easier for both the voters and those who put together the career info for players.


*S13 Rule Proposals - Bwestfield - 01-26-2019

@manicmav36

I definitely get where you are coming from. This is exactly what I was looking for in a response from what I wrote. So #3 makes more sense to me.

As far as number 4 is concerned is there a HoF committee to help with that stuff? But I do get your point about all the HoFers having some sort of award. I guess I'd just be worried that at some point there might be a great candidate that has been snubbed throughout his/her career. But I think this opens up a good discussion on how to make some of these things easier. With all that GMs and HO have to do they shouldn't have to be going through all that searching.


*S13 Rule Proposals - ADwyer87 - 01-26-2019

(01-26-2019, 07:39 PM)Bwestfield Wrote:As far as number 4 is concerned is there a HoF committee to help with that stuff
Thats me, I am the HOF committee lol


*S13 Rule Proposals - SwagSloth - 01-26-2019

(01-26-2019, 06:29 PM)manicmav36 Wrote:As HOF voting currently stands, GMs and HO members have to scroll through EVERY single player that retired in order make their vote. This can be incredibly daunting with large retirement classes and a player can inevitaby be missed by a GM when voting. In fact, we've already seen it happen once. This is just a common sense rule that will make everything a little easier for both the voters and those who put together the career info for players.
This is a really good argument in favor of the rule IMO.


*S13 Rule Proposals - manicmav36 - 01-26-2019

(01-26-2019, 08:39 PM)Bwestfield Wrote:@manicmav36

I definitely get where you are coming from. This is exactly what I was looking for in a response from what I wrote. So #3 makes more sense to me.

As far as number 4 is concerned is there a HoF committee to help with that stuff? But I do get your point about all the HoFers having some sort of award. I guess I'd just be worried that at some point there might be a great candidate that has been snubbed throughout his/her career. But I think this opens up a good discussion on how to make some of these things easier. With all that GMs and HO have to do they shouldn't have to be going through all that searching.

So as @ADwyer87 said he is currently the HoF committee. THe idea of an actual committtee is definitely worth following up though, and with the addition of more HO member, definitely a possibility. Now as far as players getting snubbed goes, consider this. QB for example has 2 players make the Pro Bowl each season, out of 4. If you're not good enough to make the top half of the league at QB over let's say 8 seasons, you won't be in the HoF. If we go the other way and look at DBs, there are 6 named to the Pro Bowl each season. Assuming each team starts 5 DB regularly, that means 1/5 of every starting DB makes the Pro Bowl. Again, if you can't make the top 1/5 of the league for you position just once in your career, you don't belong in the HoF.


*S13 Rule Proposals - Bwestfield - 01-26-2019

(01-26-2019, 11:27 PM)manicmav36 Wrote:So as @ADwyer87 said he is currently the HoF committee. THe idea of an actual committtee is definitely worth following up though, and with the addition of more HO member, definitely a possibility. Now as far as players getting snubbed goes, consider this. QB for example has 2 players make the Pro Bowl each season, out of 4. If you're not good enough to make the top half of the league at QB over let's say 8 seasons, you won't be in the HoF. If we go the other way and look at DBs, there are 6 named to the Pro Bowl each season. Assuming each team starts 5 DB regularly, that means 1/5 of every starting DB makes the Pro Bowl. Again, if you can't make the top 1/5 of the league for you position just once in your career, you don't belong in the HoF.

Yeah that's very true. The probowl I think is what makes this possible. I was hung up on the yearly awards part and not the probowl which makes a lot of sense.