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WannaBeFinn Position Switch Appeal - Attopax - 12-23-2020
This is an appeal based on a decision made by Head Office prohibiting a position switch done by user, WannaBeFinn (WBF) on the grounds that the user’s ISFL team was never notified as required by the Rulebook and the user was called up to the ISFL on the eve of a game. The grounds for appeal is that the user’s contract was voided due to the user not being tagged in the contract post, and a separate complaint is that the user should be allowed to continue to play in the DSFL at their new position until the matter was adjudicated by Appeals.
Although Appeals Team rendered a decision on this matter quite a long time ago, a decision was not posted because the subsequent trade rendered much of the appeal as moot. Because there is clearly still drama swirling about, the Appeals Team has elected to release their decision anyway.
Appeals Team members Laser and JKortesi81 have recused themselves from voting and discussion.
The following are the Appeals Team findings, which were unanimous:
1) To the Appeals Team knowledge, a pending appeal has never placed a stay on an active Head Office decision, and there is no present intent to change that. Therefore, Head Office decisions should be complied with unless and until they are overturned in an appeal.
2) ISFL teams may call up DSFL players whenever they want.
3) WannaBeFinn accepted the contract. The rule that he needs to be tagged in the post is in order to ensure the player is aware of the contract and can reply to it. He did. There is no material, adverse impact because the contract was missing the tag when WBF clearly responded to the contract already. He did not need to re-accept it because no one was prejudiced by the contract in its original form.
4) That being said, even if it *was* an IA contract, the outcome would not change. His ISFL team still owns his rights (albeit as an inactive player), and they could call him up as an IA player. Section III(D)(1) states “if a player chooses to switch to a new position they must have their GM post in the ISFL GM area that the player is officially switching positions.” Therefore, ISFL teams must still be involved in the position switch process as the rules require since they could still call him up as an IA player. Appeals Team is declining to rule on the rule interpretation. Even if the interpretation is that the ISFL GM just needs to be notified of the switch (as opposed to approve/deny), the rules were still broken, and Head Office's decision is upheld, so it does not change the result in this case.
Because the user was traded and the matter was resolved, no further action is necessary. This opinion is advisory only.
(Post Edited for Clarification on Ruling)
RE: WannaBeFinn Position Switch Appeal - r0tzbua - 12-23-2020
:shock:
RE: WannaBeFinn Position Switch Appeal - Faded - 12-23-2020
:eyes:
RE: WannaBeFinn Position Switch Appeal - Rufio_NZ - 12-23-2020
Ooooooh. So this is why the trade happened. Such obvious collusion and ofcourse it’s between the GM who got suspended from MB and the team he is now a Co-gm for. So disappointing that teams can pull this type of shit off. What’s the point in having a draft if players are going to be a fuckwit when due process happens. Is WBF even a person, convinced it’s just a Jeffie multi at this point.
RE: WannaBeFinn Position Switch Appeal - Beaver - 12-23-2020
worst showing by wbf since he tried to tank downfall in 2016
RE: WannaBeFinn Position Switch Appeal - excelsior - 12-24-2020
So on the basis of him being inactive, he is not allowed to switch his position without the consent of his ISFL GM? But if you are active you are allowed to position switch, without needing the conent of an ISFL GM, right? Also, what would constitute someone as an acitve player vs. inactive? What if you were inactive and then became active to position switch?
RE: WannaBeFinn Position Switch Appeal - mithrandir - 12-24-2020
(12-24-2020, 12:37 AM)excelsior Wrote: So on the basis of him being inactive, he is not allowed to switch his position without the consent of his ISFL GM? But if you are active you are allowed to position switch, without needing the conent of an ISFL GM, right? Also, what would constitute someone as an acitve player vs. inactive? What if you were inactive and then became active to position switch?Once you are drafted to an ISFL team you should consult with your ISFL GM before switching positions. It's one thing for the player to desire a position switch. It's entirely a different situation for a DSFL team to ask a player to switch positions in their last season of DSFL eligibility without consulting the ISFL franchise.
RE: WannaBeFinn Position Switch Appeal - Attopax - 12-24-2020
(12-24-2020, 12:37 AM)excelsior Wrote: So on the basis of him being inactive, he is not allowed to switch his position without the consent of his ISFL GM? But if you are active you are allowed to position switch, without needing the conent of an ISFL GM, right? Also, what would constitute someone as an acitve player vs. inactive? What if you were inactive and then became active to position switch?
(12-24-2020, 12:44 AM)mithrandir Wrote:(12-24-2020, 12:37 AM)excelsior Wrote: So on the basis of him being inactive, he is not allowed to switch his position without the consent of his ISFL GM? But if you are active you are allowed to position switch, without needing the conent of an ISFL GM, right? Also, what would constitute someone as an acitve player vs. inactive? What if you were inactive and then became active to position switch?Once you are drafted to an ISFL team you should consult with your ISFL GM before switching positions. It's one thing for the player to desire a position switch. It's entirely a different situation for a DSFL team to ask a player to switch positions in their last season of DSFL eligibility without consulting the ISFL franchise.
There are several logical paths people could take in terms of the interpretation of that rule.
To be clear, Appeals Team didn't uphold the interpretation on whether a GM can "approve" or "deny" a DSFL position switch. The simple fact of the matter is even if the rule interpretation is that ISFL GMs only need to be told so they can post it, that did not happen in this case. So, either way... the rules weren't followed, so the same outcome is reached which is why HO's decision is upheld.
Post edited for clarity to reflect that Appeals Team did not make a determination as the interpretation of the rule.
RE: WannaBeFinn Position Switch Appeal - Ben - 12-24-2020
(12-23-2020, 11:51 PM)Beaver Wrote: worst showing by wbf since he tried to tank downfall in 2016
wbf trains with a cannon at yaks
RE: WannaBeFinn Position Switch Appeal - RotticusScott - 12-24-2020
(12-23-2020, 11:44 PM)Rufio_NZ Wrote: Ooooooh. So this is why the trade happened. Such obvious collusion and ofcourse it’s between the GM who got suspended from MB and the team he is now a Co-gm for. So disappointing that teams can pull this type of shit off. What’s the point in having a draft if players are going to be a fuckwit when due process happens. Is WBF even a person, convinced it’s just a Jeffie multi at this point.
Hey buddy, if you're going to spew garbage pulled straight out of your ass you might as well make it funny. I doubt you have very many friends around the league, but maybe do some asking around before you say something this fucking stupid on a public post.