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*Mapping DSFL Rivalries - Mojojojo - 02-20-2021

Mapping DSFL Rivalries

So, I had a lot of fun this past offseason mapping the rivalries in the ISFL. After the results of the ISFL survey were released, I had a few people clamoring for a DSFL version. I purposefully waited to deploy this survey until well into the new season to give the newly drafted S27 rookies time to really soak up their team culture. Therefore, responses were only collected after each DSFL team had played every other team at least once (halfway through the season).

Thank you to everyone who took the DSFL Rivalries survey! I had great engagement, receiving a total of 69 responses (noice)! with at least 5 responses from each of the 8 DSFL teams! The final distribution of survey responses by team are shown in the pie chart below. Respondents were recruited from each of the 8 DSFL team discord servers. The survey was open to players currently on the DSFL teams, members of team war rooms, and also former players now in the ISFL but who have strong ties to a particular DSFL team.

[Image: DSFL_Rivalries_pie.png]

The survey asked each respondent to specify their team and then to rank the strength of their team’s rivalry with every other DSFL team on a scale from 1-10, with 1 = “Not rivals and maybe even friends; almost always root for them against their opponent” and 10 = “Fierce rivals; want to see them go 0-14 every season.” We can then take these scores and average them across respondents within each DSFL team to identify their main rivals. We are going to use the average rather than the sum here because there are different numbers of responses (and therefore different numbers of total possible points) for different teams.

The end of the survey also had an optional, open-ended box that allowed respondents to explain their rankings. I have reproduced these responses below to add flavor for the main rivalries. In general, these quotes are word-for-word what the respondents wrote (although some may be edited slightly to maintain anonymity). I have also censored any expletives. Full-disclosure, I have added some punctuation and corrected spelling and other grammar mistakes that were bothering me (sadly, I probably didn’t catch them all). The quotes *do not* reflect the opinions of the author.

So let’s dive in! I’m going to start by looking team-by-team (in alphabetical order) to see how each team ranked the other teams in terms of strength of rivalry. Then I will consider head-to-head matchups across all the teams. Finally, I will look at which team is the most hated team in the DSFL and which team is most irrelevant when it comes to rivalries. Here it goes!

Results by Team

BBB

Bondi Beach Buccaneers
(n = 13)

and tie with 7.7 average score
with 7.5 average score
with 6.9 average score
with 6.2 average score
with 5.3 average score
with 4.8 average score

So we start off with the Bondi Beach Buccaneers who don’t disappoint in bringing the drama. Bondi Beach had the most players complete the survey of any DSFL team and they clearly chose two top rivals: the Tijuana Luchadores and the Portland Pythons. The Dallas Birddogs come in at a close third in the rankings. From the comments, it is clear that these rivalries are fueled as much if not more by some bad blood between a few users than by team records/histories. Don't worry these are probably the most aggressively stated comments that I received from any of the teams.

Quote:
“I feel like there’s a lot of bad blood with the luchadores over various incidents.”
“Tijuana is Tijuana”
“So many rivalries and so little time... The Luchadores and the Buccaneers is an old school rivalry within our conference that may have slipped by the wayside more recently. Bad hombres.”

“Beat the pythons in the championship. That’s literally it.”
“All these fuckers jealous of our success that zeagle kid should really stfu and actually learn how to win an Ultimini; imagine having a stacked team of send downs and still being a shit tier GM”

“The bird dogs have been dicks from the start”

and
“Zeagle and Zayn are horrible and should not be getting the promotions they have been getting probably some of the worst people on the site”
"Austin runs Dallas and Portland; and it explains why they keep poisoning the minds of prospects making them just as toxic. Dallas has provided toxic users like Zayn, Edd, Thiath, and countless others. Portland has provided toxic users like Zamir, zEagle, Let’sPlay, and a bunch of others. They can find good earners but their shitty personality is why they have such bad sim Karma.”

“Norfolk used to be annoying; now they’re cool.”

Dallas Birddogs
(n = 8)

with 8.9 average score
with 8.8 average score
with 7.1 average score
with 5.9 average score
with 5.8 average score
with 5.0 average score
with 4.3 average score

Now we move on to the Dallas Birddogs. Now there were some fighting words coming from the Bondi Beach Buccaneers regarding Dallas, but the London Royals just edge out the Buccaneers as the top rivals. London and Dallas are the most recent expansions to the DSFL and it appears that this expansion rivalry is still going strong! In third place are the Minnesota Grey Ducks, but the other rivalries can’t compete in magnitude with those of the Royals and Buccaneers.

Quote:
“London is our main rival, but we (or at least I) respect the Royals. The same cannot be said for Minnesota”
“Expansion teams will always be compared!”
“London will always be a rival because we're expansion friendos.”
“Fucking London and their annoyingly good squad building/send down luck. Beat us to the first ultimini of the two expansion teams and we're smug about it”

“BBB likes to say we're toxic so i guess that makes us rivals lol”
“Bondage Beach sux lmap”

“I hate the ducks for their choccy milk spam and hope they will burn in hell for that”

“Tonzy is bad”

Kansas City Coyotes
(n = 5)

with 9.2 average score
with 7.8 average score
with 7.6 average score
with 7.0 average score
with 6.2 average score
and tied with 5.2 average score

Now we turn our attention to the Kansas City Coyotes. They have a clear front-running rivalry with the Portland Pythons who lead their division. Next up are the in-conference London Royals and the out-of-conference Tijuana Luchadores. Now the Coyotes were not a talkative bunch, but it is clear that their rivalries are based much more on in-game competition than any personality clashes.

Quote:
“Too arrogant that they’re the best team in the league”

and
“It’s hardly a rivalry cause we can never beat them but hopefully that changes soon”

London Royals
(n = 10)

with 9.1 average score
with 8.3 average score
with 5.4 average score
and tie with 4.8 average score
with 3.6 average score
with 3.0 average score

Fourth in alphabetical order we come to the London Royals. Here we see strong reciprocity of the expansion rivalry with the Dallas Birddogs, who score a whopping 9.1 average rivalry score out of 10. Next up are the Portland Pythons, who have been the main in-conference challenger for the Royals in the last few seasons. The Tijuana Luchadores squeak into third place with an average rivalry score only slightly above 5.0 (probably due to their recent upset of the Royals in the S25 Ultimini). Most of the other rivalries score below 5.0 points, hinting at neutral or even friendly relations.

Quote:
“Beating Dallas is a Royals tradition.”
“You don't have to keep this anonymous. I want Dallas to know I hate them and they smell like shit. Especially Bob Roberts. Even if you do keep this anonymous, he'll know who I am.”
“I believe the Royals were created around the same time as the bird dogs, which I guess make us enemies. Though it’s similar to the rivalry the lions have with the packers, where one side always wins.”
“The moment I was drafted by London, I immediately left the Dallas discord. To hell with Dallas! ... Zoot's cool though.”
"Dallas and London were created at the same time so it's always a competition with them to see who can be the most successful new team. Luckily London is pretty far ahead.”
“Expansion rivals. I despise Dallas and their superiority complex of the past. So happy we were the first of the expansion teams to win the Ultimini.”

“London - Portland is almost an annual playoff game at this point so it's definitely the biggest intra-conference rivalry right now. It gets a slight nod over Dallas for me because it's in-conference and for personal reasons."
“Portland will pass Dallas really soon for me and probably already has for the newest users.”
“I always like to stomp on some sneks.”

“I can't hate the Coyotes.”

Minnesota Grey Ducks
(n = 10)

with 8.3 average score
and tied with 6.7 average score
with 6.6 average score
with 6.0 average score
with 5.3 average score
with 4.8 average score

Next up are the Minnesota Grey Ducks. There are a few teams that have thrown a little shade on the Grey Ducks team culture, made infamous by the choccy milk incident. But the comments from the Grey Ducks are surprisingly mild. They assign a high rivalry score with the Pythons as they battle for the top spot in the division. Another in-conference team, the London Royals, is tied with the out-of-conference Tijuana Luchadores for the second spot (just edging out the Dallas Birddogs). It seems like London’s record could have earned it a higher rivalry score but it’s players and management are just too nice.

Quote:
“Pythons are the team to beat in the North. You always gotta bring it”
"The Pythons are the top dogs and us Grey Ducks are scraping our way to the top. We feel that with our TPE gains we could match them and take their throne in the division.”
“They better be worse than us”

“As for London, fuck London that's why! (Really just because they are more of a threat than KC and we have similar records)"
“London should be a pretty fierce rival of Minnesota because of how many times they've knocked us out of the playoffs, many times in big upsets. These date back at least to my rookie season in S22. The reason I don't have much of a rivalry attitude with them is because they're so likeable, with Mag and abh leading them for several seasons, and now one of my favorite people in Katarn, and slate also seems like a good dude.”

“Hate TIJ, always hated them, No idea why though just the vibes are bad from them.”

"Birddogs Twitter is textbook mean in an online way, and does NOT prove love."
“Fuck Dallas”
"Dallas is probably the closest thing that Minnesota has to a true rival over the last few seasons, because of the twitter stuff that went a bit overboard. I don't want any team to go 0-14, but I don't root for them often.”

“I don't feel much rivalry with any non-division team just because they don't affect us much. But BBB has always been my least favorite out of conference team, for literally no reason. It dates back to my rookie year.”

“KCC could never be MIN's rivals. Minty cocks forever, if you know you know."

Norfolk Seawolves
(n = 10)

with 7.7 average score
with 7.2 average score
with 7.0 average score
with 6.3 average score
with 5.2 average score
with 4.2 average score
with 4.1 average score

And now we come to the Norfolk Seawolves. The Dallas Birddogs edge out the competition as the main rival of the Seawolves, but are followed fairly closely by another in-conference rival in the Tijuana Luchadores and an out-of-conference rival in the London Royals. While there is clearly a want to win, particularly against top teams in their division, the Seawolves don’t appear to attribute their rivalries to any particular players.

Quote: and
“Tijuana and Dallas are much more recent rivalries due to the intensity of getting into the playoffs and Ultimini the past several seasons."
“I don't like either of them and I'd gladly see them go 0-14 from now until the eventual heat death of the Universe. I know the typical blasé response to this is ‘Well I don't think about you at all.’ But I know you both do. I've seen the screenshots. I've seen your locker rooms.”

“Both Norfolk and Tijuana (especially in recent memory) have been great at causing the other postseason heartbreak. The season 22 and 24 SFC Championship games are the biggest examples of this.”

"BBB is an old rivalry since the revival of Norfolk.”

“I’m not sure who our rivals are but I view Portland as a heavy threat.”

Portland Pythons
(n = 8)

with 9.1 average score
with 7.4 average score
with 7.3 average score
with 6.9 average score
with 6.5 average score
and tied with 6.0 average score

On to the Portland Pythons! Now we’ve read a fair number of strong comments about the Pythons from the other teams thus far; let’s see if the rivalry is reciprocated. First up there is a strong rivalry with the Bondi Beach Buccaneers. So it looks like the bad blood here is on both sides. With substantially lower scores, the next two rivals of the Pythons are two in-conference teams in the Minnesota Grey Ducks and the London Royals. But these rivalries don’t seem quite so heated or so personal as the beef with the Buccaneers; maybe more just about wanting to win their conference each year.

Quote:
“BBB are a bunch of crybabies”
“I hate BBB”
"BBB are the snot nosed brats of the DSFL. Also, that field design is hilariously bad.”

“MIN turned cringe culture into an artform.”

“Top rival for Portland right now is the London Royals. It always comes down to the Royals or London for first in the division, and both teams have been very competitive over the last handful of seasons.”

“KC used to be like MN, but I like their new leadership, so who knows.”

“Norfolk is like the posh, prep school version of BBB."

Tijuana Luchadores
(n = 5)

with 8.6 average score
with 8.4 average score
with 7.4 average score
with 6.8 average score
with 5.2 average score
with 4.8 average score
with 3.8 average score

Last but not least we get to the Tijuana Luchadores. According to the Luchadores, they have two top rivals in the Portland Pythons (out-of-conference) and the Bondi Beach Buccaneers (in-conference). From the comments, it looks like the beef with the Pythons is relatively new, especially with the twin-GM link between Tonzy and RDBSouthPaw (adding some strong IRL sibling rivalry to the mix). The rivalry with the Buccaneers appears to be older, and there are clearly some deep-seeded negative feelings here.

Quote:
“Portland needs to go down, period. It’s ridiculous how little call ups they’ve had the last couple of seasons. They need to come back down to Earth.”
"This one is a bit newer but there's a lot of links. We had LBJ and McGrady on our team before the draft and got McGrady later in the draft. Our GMs are twins so there's that rivalry and we snagged one of the super friends away from them in the most recent draft. There was the whole thing with McGrady and him forcing his way there so it just feels like a rivalry.”
“What clowns. Half their roster is too scared to play at the ISFL level so they purposefully stayed down just to boost their ego flexing on these youngins. Shameful!”

“This is the more long-standing rivalry since they became MB. They're in our division and held Ben hostage for a time. We ended up getting him in the end but they tried to fine Mith and Swanky in the process. It gave us good memes though. There's just a general vibe in TIJ LR that we don't like them and they don't like us.”
“I just associate them with some pretty shady stuff, and the whole "divisional rival" thing amplifies that as well. I like some of the individuals there, but not at all a fan of the team as a whole.”
“Several seasons ago the Buccaneers had their GMs fined for tampering and creating a toxic culture. It hasn't gotten any better since. They're the most dislikeable team in the league.”

“I ranked Dallas high but I feel more friendliness with them now then when I first entered the league. The twitter game is unreal and even when they had the first overall pick they continued to talk smack on twitter. I respect it but come on now.”

“They were made by TIJ vets, but they continue to take TIJ legends in the draft. Same division, pretty quiet on the smack talk but just feels like there should be a rivalry here"

“They call us toxic when they spam Choccy milk.”

Head-to-Head Matchups
Next, because the survey asked each team to rank every other team in the DSFL we have complete information to look at head-to-head matchups between teams. Here I’m trying to get a sense of where rivalries are fiercely reciprocated by both sides or where one team is really just expressing one-sided jealousy for another. With 8 teams in the DSFL, there are 28 unique head-to-head comparisons. For each pair, I took the average rivalry score that the first team gave to the second team and vice versa and added them together (SUM) and also took the absolute value of the difference (DIFF). Below are the results sorted from highest to lowest total head-to-head rivalry, with the top 4 in terms of sum highlighted in purple and the top 4 in terms of difference highlighted in green:

[Image: DSFL_Rivalries_head-to-head.png]

[Image: DSFL_Rivalries_head-to-head.png]

We see that the greatest rivalry in the DSFL is the legendary expansion rivalry between the Dallas Birddogs and the London Royals. This means there are a whole lot of bragging rights riding on the 1-year anniversary exhibition match that will be streaming tonight! This is a well-rounded rivalry too, with Dallas assigning an average 8.9 rivalry score to London and London assigning an average 9.1 to Dallas (for a difference of only 0.2). The next three highest rivalries all involve the Bondi Beach Buccaneers and the Portland Pythons, Dallas Birddogs, and Tijuana Luchadores.

The most lop-sided rivalry is an in-conference head-to-head between the London Royals and the Kansas City Coyotes (difference of 4.2). While Kansas City feels a strong rivalry with London (7.8 average score), London does not seem to see the team as much of a threat (assigning them only a 3.8 average rivalry score and even having friendly comments about them). The London Royals are on the receiving end of a second lop-sided rivalry with the Norfolk Seawolves (difference of 4.0); while Norfolk sees London as a top rival assigning them an average score of 7.0, London appears friendly with Norfolk assigning the out-of-conference team an average of 3.0 on the rivalry scale. Kansas City is also involved in two other fairly lop-sided rivalries with the Tijuana Luchadores (difference of 3.8) and the Portland Pythons (difference of 3.2), who again don’t seem to take the wrath of the Coyotes very seriously.

Overall
Now, I know everyone is dying to know which teams get ranked highly in multiple rivalries and which teams are just sort of there… To determine this, for each team I took the sum of the average rivalry scores given by the other 7 DSFL franchises. Since each team’s average rivalry score could range from 0-10 and there are 7 teams, these scores are out of a maximum possible score of 70. This allows me to rank each team according to how many other teams listed them as rivals. And here is the overall ranking:

with 52.3 points
with 50.0 points
with 49.1 points
with 48.6 points
with 47.3 points
with 40.6 points
with 40.0 points
with 31.4 points

So, perhaps unsurprisingly to many, the most hated team in the DSFL is the Portland Pythons. They are followed closely by the Dallas Birddogs, the London Royals, the Bondi Beach Buccaneers, and the Tijuana Luchadores. Looking towards the bottom of the list, we see that the Minnesota Grey Ducks and the Norfolk Seawolves just don’t seem particularly controversial, with few teams citing them as top rivals (particularly out-of-conference). And the title of “team irrelevant” goes to the Kansas City Coyotes, who appear more on the friend side of the spectrum than the rival side for most teams.

RE: Mapping DSFL Rivalries - zaynzk - 02-20-2021

ah BBB still thinks about me, thats cute

RE: Mapping DSFL Rivalries - excelsior - 02-20-2021

@zeagle1
@zaynzk

Is it true? Are you some of the worst people on the site?

RE: Mapping DSFL Rivalries - 124715 - 02-20-2021

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at least we can be friends

RE: Mapping DSFL Rivalries - Big Edd - 02-20-2021

Lmaoooooooooooo

RE: Mapping DSFL Rivalries - Blasoon - 02-20-2021

Norfolk has love for you all. Just don't expect to get into our prep school gates.

RE: Mapping DSFL Rivalries - LB3737 - 02-20-2021

Yeah fuck zEagle that kid fuckin sucks

RE: Mapping DSFL Rivalries - Pat - 02-20-2021

(02-20-2021, 06:29 PM)LB3737 Wrote: Yeah fuck zEagle that kid fuckin sucks

Applied

RE: Mapping DSFL Rivalries - zaynzk - 02-20-2021

(02-20-2021, 06:23 PM)excelsior Wrote: @zeagle1
@zaynzk

Is it true? Are you some of the worst people on the site?

Maybe?

RE: Mapping DSFL Rivalries - WildfireMicro - 02-20-2021

"And the title of “team irrelevant” goes to the Kansas City Coyotes, who appear more on the friend side of the spectrum than the rival side for most teams."

It's because they are so nice and such underdogs