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*"Monday Night Football" Stream - Alucas - 05-09-2021
This idea/rant first was going to be used for the Ultimus Week task however I decided that perhaps it would be best as a media piece, I hope that if this hasn't been really brought up before that it is a good thing and want to note that this isn't a criticism but a lofty idea.
I don't think this could count as a "league issue" as such but I think although the presentation of the ISFL/DSFL streams are good, I believe they can be improved to help have more involvement from the league. I have not been a part of the ISFL for very long at this stage, I joined after my interest in sim leagues peaked following me signing up for an affiliate - PBE. I joined PBE back when I had no job and couldn't find anything with COVID, there were no sports and sim leagues seemed like a good option. One of the key things I enjoy about the PBE sim league is that they have live streams of game throughout the week and you have a good chance to see your player and have commentary/chat about performances. I would love to see the development of commentary and flavor added to the ISFL video releases/streams. The ISFL has a different approach, the Youtube releases with music playing in the background as the games run through and through, it is effective at getting through the games however I think it could be developed to have more flair.
Please bear in mind that I have done little to no research for this subject and don't want to offend anyone that may reads this if this issue/point has been brought up before, but I think it would be a good addition to the league and would help increase the involvement of streams and perhaps increase people's interest in joining/participating for the long term.
I understand that there are a lot of logistics that has to go into prepping for a stream and having a commentator or two involved to commentate on what they are seeing but I can see the ISFL having the ability to do this, it just requires a good heads up and perhaps limiting the amount of times commentating happens, for example, the Ultimus/Ultimini. With the streams essentially being prerecorded which helps keep the stream time at a reasonable length and keeps the games fluid I don't see it being possible to have commentating on the bulk of games, as the play goes on far too fast and it would be near impossible to keep up with the gameplay, nobody needs a chipmunk style fast commentating to keep up.
I would like to see the possibility of one or two games a week (real life week, not a game week) being highlighted/showcased sort of like our version of Monday Night Football where we can see a matchup but with a little more definition to it. I think it would be good to have a marquee matchup at the end of a stream, where the game pace is toned down to a slightly faster than real life pace (something reasonable for people to follow with short breaks etc.) This stream could feature a close matchup for a playoff race or just two teams of any kind that are duking it out. If we wanted to get really fancy with it, there could be a short pre-game with a breakdown of how the teams are doing, who the key players are and how season's are going or any kind of fun facts like their previous records against each other or records held etc. This would help newer players like me get a better understanding of the history of the league and also to see different players on different teams (as well as my own). It would allow for a setting of the scene for anyone watching that doesn't have a vested interest in the two showcased teams.
The gameplay itself I alluded to above, the pace currently on youtube makes it a little difficult for myself personally to follow along as the plays and the actions etc. are quickly on the screen before moving on, which can be difficult to track. I would see if we can slow the pace down to something that is a bit slower and allows for commentary. Having a couple of commentators describing the plays or just even short snippets like sacks or big plays would allow for some flavour on the streams, it would be good to hear some excitement if a big run breaks out or there is a safety or blocked punt etc. Limiting their involvement to one game would mean that although there was a slower pace, the stream overall wouldn't run too long. There could also be a halftime sort of thing (if that is possible with the sim engine) that shows the stats and any key highlights of the game could be briefly discussed. After the game, the similar sort of thing, it would be cool for a little on screen discussion about key players of the game and to go over the stats and again highlights of key events that unfolded or any gaffs that occurred.
I think adding something like this would be great for the league and could allow for people to see a more in depth look at the ISFL without having to dig deep through the index. I believe that we would definitely have the people keen to do graphics or something to fill the pre game and post game etc. and this could be a cool once a week event that brought more people to view the stream. There would have to be a lot of logistics I am sure, but with the amount of active people and the thought of expansion always on foot, this could be a good draw card for the league.
If you have made it this far, I commend you on reading it... if you skipped to the end, well...thanks anyway!
RE: "Monday Night Football" Stream - Suggs - 05-09-2021
This is a great read! I also thought about how we could make games/draft presentation more alike to their IRL counterparts, yet never put the effort into thinking enough to make a good media piece like this! I agree that it might be very tough to coordinate all of it, even for a couple of games, but it is a great thought exercise!
RE: "Monday Night Football" Stream - DarknessRising - 05-09-2021
So as the current DSFL streamer, backup at one point and member of HO i feel like i can offer a lot of "devil's advocate" and general points around this discussion as just food for though. First things first, i don't particularly hate the idea and whilst been discussed before, you have certainly raised a few things in here that have a twist on what has been said before. At the end of the day, the games are the biggest thing we as a league can come together over, and ensuring there is peak interest in the streams should and is something looked at within HO.
Earlier in the season, a discussion came up after i mistakenly entered a stream for later than it should be (daylight savings changed but completely my fault) and brought up the conversation for sim times being changed or even moving fir day streams to Saturday, particularly to help out the Europeans and general Non-USA audience. I don't know if you saw it but I do hope you did, there was a survey that I relaised after discussion within GM chat as to suggestions on how this looks and to get actual tangible feedback, so always know that people around can also champion ideas like this. The TLDR of this tangent, is that the numbers reflected current time as best time for more users, and its always going to be a balancing act around time zones, as well as ensuring what is a low-appeal and applied for area in the sim team, can perform the task at hand.
Now, i think this idea does have alot more feasibility at the DSFL level. As it currently stands, just listening out to the league, there is both complains that the game is too fast to track and that games take too long. I feel like without some drastic changes that were discussed when teh above conversation happened occurred, changing the length of sims particularly for ISFL is not possible. I don't know how much you would have to slow it down to perform commentary, but if it was done it would definitely be added with the type of caveat you explained with it being only one match only. Commentary from what i know was done before, I don't know why it stopped, whether with a staffing change it didn't happen or it was taking too much time with an increase of teams. I also will say that without being in the PBE, i hear compliments for the commentary but more hatrid about their long streams than ours. And again, without even seeing a stream or being a bigger fan of the sport/sim, to my knowledge it is alot easier to commentate baseball (ball pitched, hit or not? If hit, where to?) That is absurdly dumbed down but you can't capitulate what is happening on a football field as well as you can a baseball field, not at the speed we would need to sim games anyways. I always tend to hear that the PBE has alot more statistically breakdown and stats avaliable, which would also help with points to talk about. Not sure how avaliable they are during a game, but currently ISFL would be using those small stat boxes and so even for commentating, it could be hard to really keep up.
That sounds all negative so I will try to talk some positives into it. I think that there is room to try it out again. As the DSFL streamer, i don't think i would be good at it as i don't watch like any NFL games (maybe 1-2 a season) but i think there is possibilities to bring in a job being a commentator, they can go over play-by-play before streams, work out big plays to ensure they highlight them and be a main commentator, with the streamer (myself) adding bits and pieces to help bounce stuff off. Of course, the streamer could also be adapted to be commentator, but that adds another element to their job description that with next to know applications for already, may even more-so reduce it. What would also hinder a full on commentator position is needing to work time-zones with the streamer. For me, Im Australian so sometimes I'm up to 1-2am just waiting for graphics before i can do close to an hour and half of streaming, than have to upload and process. (This is starting to sound very negative again, my bad)
As for the halftime thing, unfortunately would not work currently in the sim, as whilst you could pause the game at half-time and go to bring up the box score, it will show the entire game's score and stats, which of course is spoilers.
The next question that was specifically raised by the survey, that i think something like this would help, is that majority of people are not watching the sims live (as that was survey was focusing on) or only watching their team. The idea of having a special game with commentary and the works would draw interest, and over 16 weeks you would ensure that every team features at least once (could have every team twice if smart). Would it mage a huge difference? Well no way to tell either way unless something like it was done as a tester.
I will leave it here with only two additional things cause i feel like whilst I'm trying to give both sides im just automatically thinking of more negatives and putting this down more than what im trying to, so sorry for that. Firstly, you done this in a way you should not even worry about not fully knowing the process or offending the sim team or whoever. Anyone who writes suggestions like this, in a manner that is calm, informative and not hurling insults, is totally accepted and welcomed. This league is nothing without its people and the HO in me wants to see this league improve to keep up with user's wants when it can. You were reasonable, spoke well and even spoke some negatives/pitfalls about this issue and that's what i love seeing in pieces like this. Secondly, and i've talked to GM's about this, during the off-season i am hoping to release a media piece with a whole bunch of different games simmed at different speeds, to show what we could have and what we would prefer, because as i said earlier on, we can't have both shorter streams and slower games, one of the two has to be sacrificed. Hopefully this would test anyway to find a better balance of both, and maybe show what speed may not drag out a stream but could allow commentator in the form this idea spoke about to occur.
Wow this turned out longer than i expected :')
RE: "Monday Night Football" Stream - Opera_Phantom - 05-09-2021
Live draft. Make all GMs regret their choices live.
RE: "Monday Night Football" Stream - infinitempg - 05-09-2021
I'm too lazy to read Darkness' super long post, but I'll put this here. We actually used to straight up live-stream the gameplay, and sometimes our streamer would actually commentate on the games while they happened.
This really only worked because our streamer was always free at that specific time and so he could do it. The really difficult part of doing this is getting someone to be free every Monday night - and then if they leave, finding a replacement who could do that. Would be cool though!
RE: "Monday Night Football" Stream - infinitempg - 05-09-2021
(05-09-2021, 03:09 PM)Opera_Phantom Wrote: Live draft. Make all GMs regret their choices live.
are you trying to kill me