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*Carmel Gibson has spent too much TPE - 124715 - 08-18-2017
**SCANDAL ALERT**
Carmel Gibson has been an enigma at the TE position. Nobody has been quite able to explain his success -- until now.
Gibson is a balanced TE:
(MAX: 85) - Strength: 45
(MAX: 80) - Agility: 45
(MAX: 25) - Arm: 1
(MAX: 80) - Intelligence: 50
(MAX: 25) - Throwing Accuracy: 1
(MAX: 60) - Tackling: 30
(MAX: 75) - Speed: 50
(MAX: 85) - Hands: 60
(MAX: 65) - Pass Blocking: 35
(MAX: 65) - Run Blocking: 35
MAX: 100) - Endurance: 65
(MAX: 25) - Kick Power: 1
(MAX: 25) - Kick Accuracy: 1
From Gibson's player page (this jibes with the sim index as well):
(MAX: 85) - Strength: 60 (an increase of 15 should be 25 TPE)
(MAX: 80) - Agility: 55 ( an increase of 10 should be 15 TPE)
(MAX: 25) - Arm: 1
(MAX: 80) - Intelligence: 60 (an increase of 10 should be 20 TPE)
(MAX: 25) - Throwing Accuracy: 1
(MAX: 60) - Tackling: 30
(MAX: 75) - Speed: 70 (an increase of 20 should be 40 TPE)
(MAX: 85) - Hands: 70 (an increase of 10 should be 20 TPE)
(MAX: 65) - Pass Blocking: 50 (an increase of 15 should be 15 TPE)
(MAX: 65) - Run Blocking: 55 (an increase of 20 should be 25 TPE)
MAX: 100) - Endurance: 65
(MAX: 25) - Kick Power: 1
(MAX: 25) - Kick Accuracy: 1
Combined: 160 TPE spent
Gibson has not done a single PT. Gibson has not done an AC or free training or anything. He has not earned 160 TPE. How did this slip through?
And what can be done about this player, who didn't earn his TPE?
incitehysteria Wrote:Hey there @SexualEarwax! Welcome to the NSFL. I have you at 80 TPE spent at this moment. Make sure to use the update scale when adding points to your player.
Update Scale
0-50 - costs 1 TPE to go up 1 point
50-70 - costs 2 TPE to go up 1 point
70-80 - costs 5 TPE to go up 1 point
80-90 - costs 10 TPE to go up 1 point
90-100 - costs 15 TPE to go up 1 point
Incite saw the player first, and noticed that Gibson had spent far more TPE than the 50 he gets initially. Gibson responded later that day:
sexualearwax Wrote:Thanks! I just edited the first post with updates
Here's the kicker.
Noble Wrote:ApprovedWelcome to the league!
Noble, commissioner and head updater, approved this faulty build! How did this happen?
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Four days later (Thurs July 13), Gibson posted his erroneous build in an update thread. Not next Saturday, but the Saturday after, a post was made in the thread:
(07-22-2017, 09:05 PM)Bwestfield Wrote:Updated!
Gibson had not posted any claims, and it looked like he'd just spent his initial 160 TPE in the update thread. But why wasn't he updated on the 15th?
A little digging through the "Update assignments" thread muddies the waters. The Update team assignments were ever-changing, but each week Baller or Noble would post a check-in sort of thing. There wasn't one on the week of July 15th. However, BWestfield was already the updater for the Hawks. In addition, no one ever claimed backup Updater pay for the Hawks on July 15th.
It appears this is going nowhere.
Quick summary:
Gibson spends 80 tpe upon creation
"Fixes" it and is approved by Noble
Identical build is approved by Bwestfield
Either it completely slipped by incite, Noble, andBwestfield, or something shady is going on here. Users without a job (like Gibson) can edit their posts whenever, but they can't edit closed posts. Users with low-tier jobs (grader, updater) can edit any post, but it will leave a mark: "this post has been edited by 124715....". Higher tier jobs (GM, commish) can edit posts with out leaving a trace. So if this "shady" situation comes true, either Gibson intentionally increased his attributes, right before the thread was locked, or a GM changed it after it was locked. Knowing the GMs, this is incredibly unlikely.
Now we turn to the moderation log. Accessible by all with league jobs, it keeps a vigilant record of every moderation action performed on any topic. Searching "Carmel Gibson - TE", the name of his update thread and his player page, reveals only this:
![[Image: image.png?width=400&height=116]](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/332173291512922122/348069799982530570/image.png?width=400&height=116)
I guess we can rule out foul play.
So how is it possible for this many people to simply...not notice the extra 110 TPE spent? In my player page, I accidentally spent an extra 2 TPE and it was called out immediately. Did Gibson sneak in and change his player page at the last moment, leaving only the updater to call him out?
Most importantly, what are we going to do about this? We've already simmed 11 games. We can't restart.
@Ballerstorm it's your league. What do you propose?
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@ErMurazor it's your sim. What do you propose?
15% to @Player1 for discovering this.
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*Carmel Gibson has spent too much TPE - Kristy95 - 08-18-2017
Yeah this is a huge problem and needs to be addressed. Even if no foul play happened, this causes for changes in how things are handled or maybe the loss of some draft picks for the team or maybe the removal of those that missed the extra TPE spent. I am not sure, but honestly I hope this is not just pushed under a rug and ignored. This is a huge injustice and needs to be addressed harshly.
*Carmel Gibson has spent too much TPE - Kristy95 - 08-18-2017
Also shoutout to @Player1 who found this and pointed it out in his article. I believe he deserves a big bonus.
*Carmel Gibson has spent too much TPE - RainDelay - 08-18-2017
Oh my.
*Carmel Gibson has spent too much TPE - 4D Chess - 08-18-2017
Wow.... this is really bad.
Honestly, this player may need to be banned. I know foul play is ruled out but this is not acceptable and they've plhdd 10 games now with a TE with fake atts.
Again, not blaming anyone but the FO needs to come down really hard on this.
*Carmel Gibson has spent too much TPE - Kristy95 - 08-18-2017
(08-18-2017, 05:27 AM)4D Chess Wrote:Wow.... this is really bad.
Honestly, this player may need to be banned. I know foul play is ruled out but this is not acceptable and they've plhdd 10 games now with a TE with fake atts.
Again, not blaming anyone but the FO needs to come down really hard on this.
Banning might not do anything though, he was inactive already. Which is why his performance was so unusual, he never got a single TPE but did so well, now we know why. But banning someone inactive won't remedy this. There needs to be different results.
*Carmel Gibson has spent too much TPE - 37thchamber - 08-18-2017
(08-18-2017, 02:27 PM)4D Chess Wrote:Again, not blaming anyone but the FO needs to come down really hard on this.Considering this appears to be a clerical error, who are the FO supposed to be coming down hard on?
I mean, obviously something needs to be done, but it sounds like you want to see some kind of punishment... which would appear to be counterproductive at this stage, given that the only people it could affect have done nothing wrong.
*Carmel Gibson has spent too much TPE - Oles - 08-18-2017
(08-18-2017, 08:54 AM)37thchamber Wrote:Considering this appears to be a clerical error, who are the FO supposed to be coming down hard on?
I mean, obviously something needs to be done, but it sounds like you want to see some kind of punishment... which would appear to be counterproductive at this stage, given that the only people it could affect have done nothing wrong.
The problem is something like this slipped by multiple people for 11 weeks. It wasn't until a TE production article called it out, which was the cause of this article. It just seems weird that multiple people never noticed this, and seems like they could at least make sure updaters know how to do their jobs. It's hard to see such a sizable mistake just slipping by everyone involved with the team.
*Carmel Gibson has spent too much TPE - 4D Chess - 08-18-2017
(08-18-2017, 07:39 AM)Kristy95 Wrote:Banning might not do anything though, he was inactive already. Which is why his performance was so unusual, he never got a single TPE but did so well, now we know why. But banning someone inactive won't remedy this. There needs to be different results.
I should of used better wording, the player should be forcefully retired before another game is played.
I'm worried they'll just reset him to 50 TPE and that's just not nearly enough of a punishment for what went down.
*Carmel Gibson has spent too much TPE - Kristy95 - 08-18-2017
(08-18-2017, 05:54 AM)37thchamber Wrote:Considering this appears to be a clerical error, who are the FO supposed to be coming down hard on?
I mean, obviously something needs to be done, but it sounds like you want to see some kind of punishment... which would appear to be counterproductive at this stage, given that the only people it could affect have done nothing wrong.
To add to what the others said, there is also a huge benefit for the Hawks even if it was an error. That doesn't change the fact that a player played for 11 weeks, 5 of which he ended up in the team of the week, so clearly he helped the team win and that is irreversible now.