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*Season 2 Fantasy Winners - JuOSu - 09-12-2017
With fantasy on everyone's mind, I decided to analyse last season's results a little further. I took the claim thread results to see who won their groups and then compared their teams from the archive to each other. What I found was partially what you would expect but also some surprises.
Quarterbacks:
Mike Boss was the most common Quarterback among winners, on four different teams out of the 15 groups. King Bronko and Scrub Kyubee were each on three teams. Bercovici and Hunt on two and Orosz on one team. As we can see, six different quarterbacks were actually on winning teams, showing that likely this was not a position that carried a lot of weight in terms of winning your league. It was good to have a good one, but not necessarily a deciding factor.
Kicker:
Cristiano Ronaldo was the most used Kicker among winners, being on four different teams. As a rookie he was probably drafted later than other kickers which might have been part of the reason he was most common here. Kicksit and Booter were on three teams, Turkleton and Harris on two, Langdon on one. Very similar situation to QB.
Running Back:
Tweed was the Running Back that landed on most teams, with 7, followed by Mackworthy and Farlane at 6, then Omar Wright at 5. Farlane especially was the presumptive option here, as the rookie probably was drafted very late comparatively but had arguably the best season of any Running Back. Jenkins and Durden were on there three times. Savea, Nuck, Cobb and Bowers once.
Wide Receiver:
Fox North leads all Wide Receivers, being on 7 teams, the highest number shared with Tweed at Running Back. North was a popular choice, as one of the top rookies that was able to be picked at a later point in the draft. Jackson had six, Hendrix five. Christmas and Phelps four, Cook and LeClair three. Then Garden, Smallwood, Stormblessed, Westfield, Law, Chess, Vincent, Weston and Evans all once.
Now we come to the two things that personally concern me a bit. I understand my topic description was a bit click-baity and I don't want to cause drama, but I just want to point these things out.
Tight End:
At Running Back and Wide Receiver there are obviously two, sometimes three chances to be picked for a team. But at QB, TE, Kicker and Defense, only one spot is free for you. At those positions, the player with the highest number of being on winning teams was..... Carmel Gibson. That's right. Despite all the asterisks in the world and missing the last few games, Gibson still finds himself on a staggering six winning teams, double the amount of any other Tight End (Bottles had 3, Wright, Gucci and DiMirio 2). While I understand that mistakes happen, simply counting Gibson's statistics for the weeks he did play seems like an injustice to all other fantasy teams out there battling for 5 TPE.
Defense:
The Outlaws were not surprisingly the most common defense, on five different teams. Though frankly with the dominant season they had, it was a shock to see that they were not even higher on this list. They decimated other defenses by far, getting almost 70 points more than the next best defense. This was such a shocking result that I almost feel compelled to see the actual results, because this seems oddly wrong to me. For comparison, the Outlaws were 70 points better than any other defense, while the best Tight End had 74 points PERIOD.
I did some calculations with the different groups and while some of it was due to teams with the Outlaws defense having a terrible rest of the team, some inconsistencies do occur. I know ADwyer has a sheet but somehow in the past declined to show his work when one group came to a different result. I am sure others would really enjoy seeing that sheet as well and I am not sure how it can be allowed that something that was done for TPE can be so hidden and ignored. There should be more transparency. Especially with all the other problems that fantasy already had regardless. 135 total TPE are given out for Fantasy every season. Is it not possible that we can all double check to make sure this is done right?
While this is not connected to the Arizona defense issue, I found a mistake already two groups in. According to the claim thread Lainncli was in third place and got 1 TPE, while jiggly was fourth and got nothing. Even in the group there was an initial mistake that had jiggly in last but then corrected. However, with closer inspection, I have Lainncli at 1046.98 points and Jiggly at 1055.65 in which case there was a mistake. And as I said, there is zero indication why that is or way to check if I somehow messed up the numbers, but I was very thorough and I don't think I did. I would love to hear an explanation by @ADwyer87 here because clearly giving out TPE to the wrong people ought to be a problem. Some transparency would be fantastic here.
No matter if there was a mistake or not, transparency with fantasy results in season 3 would be something I think all users want and can agree on!
*Season 2 Fantasy Winners - tlk742 - 09-12-2017
THE LEGEND OF GIBSON!
*Season 2 Fantasy Winners - JuOSu - 09-12-2017
(09-12-2017, 05:50 AM)tlk742 Wrote:THE LEGEND OF GIBSON!
He had the most points of any tight end, despite missing the last few games.
*Season 2 Fantasy Winners - Archon - 09-12-2017
(09-12-2017, 06:39 AM)JuOSu Wrote:I know ADwyer has a sheet but somehow in the past declined to show his work when one group came to a different result. I am sure others would really enjoy seeing that sheet as well and I am not sure how it can be allowed that something that was done for TPE can be so hidden and ignored.
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*Season 2 Fantasy Winners - iamslm22 - 09-12-2017
I think Gibson appearing on teams might also just be correlation not causation. Teams would've only drafted Gibson if they were paying close attention.
*Season 2 Fantasy Winners - timeconsumer - 09-12-2017
I won my group without any of the players most common on winning teams....
*Season 2 Fantasy Winners - kckolbe - 09-12-2017
(09-12-2017, 07:07 AM)iamslm22 Wrote:I think Gibson appearing on teams might also just be correlation not causation. Teams would've only drafted Gibson if they were paying close attention.
I think a lot of it comes down to WHEN TEs were drafted. Last season, I drafted Maddox in like the third round because he was far and away the best receiving TE. Unfortunately, for TE, that meant close to nothing, so a shitty TE drafted later on put up almost the same numbers.
That said, Gibson led ALL TEs in TDs despite the 11 game season.
*Season 2 Fantasy Winners - 4D Chess - 09-12-2017
I mean I'm sure AD will post his sheet but if you really are shocked that the Outlaws D was so dominant I suggest you check out the stats.
*Season 2 Fantasy Winners - JuOSu - 09-12-2017
(09-12-2017, 06:30 AM)4D Chess Wrote:I mean I'm sure AD will post his sheet but if you really are shocked that the Outlaws D was so dominant I suggest you check out the stats.
You didn't read my article very closely then. I was saying that I would expect them to be on even more winning teams BECAUSE they were so dominant. And clearly there are mistakes in the system since I found one almost immediately elsewhere. Either way, he has said no in the past to others, I guess we will see what happens today.
*Season 2 Fantasy Winners - timeconsumer - 09-12-2017
(09-12-2017, 10:33 AM)JuOSu Wrote:You didn't read my article very closely then. I was saying that I would expect them to be on even more winning teams BECAUSE they were so dominant. And clearly there are mistakes in the system since I found one almost immediately elsewhere. Either way, he has said no in the past to others, I guess we will see what happens today.
His sheet is public: http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=3740
Check the Ostats and Dstats tabs and it lists the players and their respective points.
Unless you're saying when added up they didn't equal the team totals he posted. In which case that could be a result of a sheet I made...