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Down the Rabbit Hole... - adam2552 - 11-17-2017
Last night I went through @`Sanctus`’s post history checking all the IPs he posted from.
He posted from 13 different IPs that DillyDing/Stormblessed also posted from. However, most of these were months apart. (I can include them if you want)
He posted from 4 different IPs that @`YoloSwag420` also posted from.
173.239.228.48
173.244.48.70
173.239.232.92
173.239.232.155
He posted from 3 different IPs that @`TimPest` also posted from.
173.244.48.112
173.239.228.26
173.244.48.44
He posted from 2 different IPs that @BrokkLee also posted from.
173.244.48.178 (Sanctus posted from this IP literally 1 minute after BrokkLee)
173.244.48.53
He posted from 1 IP that @TyronSmith also posted from.
173.239.228.8
He posted from 1 IP that @`BrotherP` also posted from.
173.239.232.78 (BrotherP posted from this IP 4 hours after Sanctus did)
He also posted from a non-VPN IP one-time, 208.54.5.173. Which corresponds to a T-Mobile tower in Pleasant Hill, CA. I searched for 208.54.*.* and found many other T-Mobile users who have posted from their phone, including HalfEatenOnionBagel who posted from 208.54.87.234 while he was traveling in NJ. Then I searched for 208.54.5.*, and found 3 users who have posted from there, Sanctus, MattJames, and Er. Er posted from 208.54.5.251, the same Pleasant Hill, CA tower.
The T-Mobile Tower Posts
Sanctus: http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=...indpost&p=36468
MattJames: http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=...indpost&p=38172
ErMurazor #1: http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=...indpost&p=38437
ErMurazor #2: http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=...indpost&p=58635
The Missing Deleted Post
Two nights ago, when I was looking into the Outlaws Multis issue, I found that YoloSwag420 had posted in the Same IP Thread saying he was using a VPN (http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=...indpost&p=26498). I posted about this posts existence in the league Discord when asked if any posted in the Same IP Thread:
![[Image: Yzo2Mks.jpg]](https://i.imgur.com/Yzo2Mks.jpg)
However, now the post is deleted. And to top it off, the log of this post being deleted has also been deleted.
![[Image: IjVpMbs.png]](https://i.imgur.com/IjVpMbs.png)
And that’s where I’m at now. All of this information has been sent to Head Office, but I find the information to be too important to not share with the rest of the league.
The implications of this are far reaching, literally all the way to the top now. Lets go over the facts though:
Sanctus, TimPest, YoloSwag420, BrotherP are all current, active Outlaws players.
DillyDing/Stormblessed is an inactive former Outlaw, who was very active, seemingly out of nowhere, when he was an Outlaw
BrokkLee, TyronSmith, MattJames were all S2 OL prospects, a position of considerable importance, that the Outlaws (and all other teams were in need of).
Sanctus, TimPest, YoloSwag420, and BrotherP all conveniently filled needs for the Outlaws, and other than TimPest, none were considered top level prospects.
Now the questions that this poses. Is it possible that an Outlaw player would create additional players to help his team? Would he create multiple players at the one position (Offensive Line) that was extremely understaffed to give his team a better chance at landing one?
If a player were to do this he would have to be one of the league’s most dedicated players, as an effort like that would not be easy to consistently put in. As the league has voted multiple times, no one is more dedicated than ErMurazor. Who coincidentally(?), hit the same cell tower in California as Sanctus did on the ONE post that he made from a non-VPN IP address.
Does he have the means? ErMurazor is computer savvy, he is the league’s simmer. He knows his way around different programs like OBS and Twitch, I’m sure he is able to understand how to use a VPN as well.
Does he have the motive? A guy who puts in as much time as ErMurazor, I’m sure he wants to see the results of his labor. Everyone wants to see their team win, but few invest as much time as ErMurazor does. As such, maybe he felt entitled to this advantage, and created the extra players as way to ensure his team’s success.
Does he have the opportunity? This is where it gets interesting. After the Noble incident, we were told that admins would no longer be able to delete moderator logs. Yet, on the very day that ErMurazor is announced as owner of the league we find ourselves in that very position. A missing deleted post log.
So ErMurazor had the means, he had the motive, he had the opportunity. It is my opinion that ErMurazor was the one behind these multis in an effort to give his team the best chance to win and reward himself for the time he has put in.
The Head Office has all of this information, and now you do too. My hope is that we can get things fixed as soon as possible and keep this league moving forward. However, my fear is that this is all true, and how the league will respond after being cheated for these past couple months.
Down the Rabbit Hole... - Rindiee - 11-17-2017
Wow good investigation work Adam. If we can't even have transparency in the slightest how are we supposed to progress as a league?
Down the Rabbit Hole... - Keyg_an - 11-17-2017
Fuck you Adam, you're a conspiracy theorist hick.
Down the Rabbit Hole... - kckolbe - 11-17-2017
I'd been under the impression that the main issue was graphics fraud. Were the shared IPs higher for weekly submissions?
Also, how dense is the population of that area? I think we would all agree that IP aside, Matt James was clearly his own person.
Down the Rabbit Hole... - kckolbe - 11-17-2017
(11-17-2017, 09:28 AM)Keyg_an Wrote:Fuck you Adam, you're a conspiracy theorist hick.
You know I do not approve of Philly's prioritization of efforts, but when valid information is submitted, it must be considered regardless of your opinion of the submitter. And I do believe what he has submitted is worthwhile.
Down the Rabbit Hole... - AsylumParty - 11-17-2017
(11-17-2017, 12:38 PM)kckolbe Wrote:I'd been under the impression that the main issue was graphics fraud. Were the shared IPs higher for weekly submissions?Sweetwater already talked to him about this. The range is 45 miles, so somewhere in the SJ LA area within 90 miles of each other people OBTAINED the same IP (which I had explained to me by sweet, that they keep until they reset their connection)
Also, how dense is the population of that area? I think we would all agree that IP aside, Matt James was clearly his own person.
Down the Rabbit Hole... - DeathOnReddit - 11-17-2017
Fuck off. Their gfx barely looked the same, their typing is completely different, and we already proves the ip theory wrong. Now youre accusing the hardest working member of the league of anothet bullshit theory? Youre an ass adam, an ass who is wrong.
Down the Rabbit Hole... - White Cornerback - 11-17-2017
TOPIC HAS BEEN LOCKED, HEAD OFFICE HAS ALREADY DEALED WITH THIS MATTER. Witch hunting will not be permitted in this league, nor will calling out people in hopes of amassing a mob mentality.
The topic at hand has already been dealt with and future PUBLIC witch hunting will result in punishments.
An announcement will be made later on this matter.
Down the Rabbit Hole... - Keyg_an - 11-17-2017
(11-17-2017, 08:14 AM)adam2552 Wrote:Last night I went through @`Sanctus`’s post history checking all the IPs he posted from.
Last night I went on an Er man hunt because I'm still adamant he rigs the sims and I want him in trouble for something is how this read.
Down the Rabbit Hole... - AsylumParty - 11-17-2017
(11-17-2017, 01:00 PM)Keyg_an Wrote:Last night I went on an Er man hunt because I'm still adamant he rigs the sims and I want him in trouble for something is how this read.ANY REPLIES TO THIS LOCKED THREAD WILL BE DELETED FOLLOWING THIS WARNING
PLEASE DO NOT ABUSE YOUR MOD POWERS