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Salary Minimums - kckolbe - 07-18-2018
With NOLA's extension on majesiu, I was happy for both sides. NOLA is a good, fun team, and maj is a fucking franchise player. But, that salary really bothered me. I knew it was cheap, as minimum deals would be expected to be, but wanted to see HOW cheap.
I went through the team budgets for every NSFL team and recorded only the players whose teams paid them MORE than Fyodorovich got paid. Note that I did NOT count DSFL salaries for send downs, only cap hits to the NSFL teams. Additionally, I was very generous, assuming that players used the options if they were too high or played them out if low. Even more, if a player got paid this year over the DSFL cap, I counted that year against the team even though the team gets no value this season. Again, I was extremely conservative.
I found 74 players whose average salaries exceeded the 2.0 million per year received by Fyodorovich. By itself, that means nothing. Maybe all 74 were better?
I then went through every roster page and found their current TPE. For comparison, Fyodorovich is at 521 and is an S7 player.
Results:
The average salary was 3.56 million per year for those 74 (178% of his pay). The average TPE was 532.8. This means that the average player getting paid more IS actually better, right? Yes. In fact, 39 of the 74 were better than Fyodorovich. Of course, that means 35 players, or basically 2 starting rosters worth of players, were worse than Maj and getting paid more. Bear in mind, this did not include OL.
However, it gets a LOT worse. Bear in mind that maj hasn't even STARTED his contract, and already he is is outclassing it. Next year will be even worse, as maj will be higher TPE, but 30 of the 39 players currently with more TPE will have regressed by the start of next season, and most won't catch him, either, as the average draft class of those being paid more is S4.7, over two seasons of head start. So he will actually be heavily underpaid in the FIRST year of his contract. Remember, though, that this is a 3 year deal.
I urge the head office to pursue the following goals.
1) Create more tiers for minimum salaries, perhaps a new tier every 100 TPE. The difference between a 200 TPE player and 500 TPE is worth more than 1 million per year.
2) Either add "charges" for multi-year deals, or implement some form of scaling pay. We know a highly active player will break the next tier over 3.5 seasons. Why allow an illegal salary just because it is grandfathered?
Note that neither NOLA nor majesiu have done anything immoral. I would have taken the EXACT same deal in his situation, and if I were a GM, I would have offered him the same yearly values. I only use it as an example because it is a recent signing for minimum with a player on pace to ridiculously exceed its value.
Thanks if you took the time to read this, and note that this isn't something I shat out in media, so please keep comments constructive.
Salary Minimums - Molarpistols - 07-18-2018
No.
Salary Minimums - nunccoepi - 07-18-2018
The whole money thing in general is a little broken. You won't get people looking for more money until money isn't easy to get anymore. And I don't think there's an easy way to fix it.
I also just signed a 3 year extension for 2M. And, like majesiu, I made sure to sign it before I hit the 599 cap so that I could stay at my contract minimum. I think that's just smart playing on the part of the player/GM. Like, the tiers are there right now in order to prevent too much abuse. I'm not sure that its currently being abused right now though.
Salary Minimums - iamslm22 - 07-18-2018
As GM of the Hawks I feel an obligation to say that Hendrix, Willie, Manic and Myself for literally seasons and seasons have tried to change this rule. I agree with most of this for sure.
Salary Minimums - kckolbe - 07-18-2018
(07-18-2018, 09:01 PM)nunccoepi Wrote:The whole money thing in general is a little broken. You won't get people looking for more money until money isn't easy to get anymore. And I don't think there's an easy way to fix it.
I also just signed a 3 year extension for 2M. And, like majesiu, I made sure to sign it before I hit the 599 cap so that I could stay at my contract minimum. I think that's just smart playing on the part of the player/GM. Like, the tiers are there right now in order to prevent too much abuse. I'm not sure that its currently being abused right now though.
It IS smart on both parts, which is why I made a point to say I would do it as well. However, the tiers do allow abuse. The point of a cap is to balance talent, and this does not do that, as top tier players cost as much as a DSFL player.
Salary Minimums - nunccoepi - 07-18-2018
(07-18-2018, 11:04 PM)kckolbe Wrote:It IS smart on both parts, which is why I made a point to say I would do it as well. However, the tiers do allow abuse. The point of a cap is to balance talent, and this does not do that, as top tier players cost as much as a DSFL player.
Well everyone costs less than a DSFL player pretty much. But that's besides the point.
The way I see it, a top earner will extend on those benchmarks. So a top earner is actually "worth" what majesiu and I are getting paid. Later on, we'll have to take more money because we have higher tpe. If the league wants to come down on it, they should limit the contract lengths. Not create more tiers or raise salary minimums. But both would create more of a headache for GMs that already seem to have a hard enough time keeping a budget straight.
Salary Minimums - Bzerkap - 07-18-2018
(07-18-2018, 09:13 PM)nunccoepi Wrote:Well everyone costs less than a DSFL player pretty much. But that's besides the point.Contract length decreases are no more difficult than additional tiers, but I guess allow for an 'organic' salary increase year over year
The way I see it, a top earner will extend on those benchmarks. So a top earner is actually "worth" what majesiu and I are getting paid. Later on, we'll have to take more money because we have higher tpe. If the league wants to come down on it, they should limit the contract lengths. Not create more tiers or raise salary minimums. But both would create more of a headache for GMs that already seem to have a hard enough time keeping a budget straight.
Salary Minimums - ADwyer87 - 07-19-2018
my man
Salary Minimums - Ben - 07-19-2018
(07-19-2018, 05:28 PM)ADwyer87 Wrote:my man
Yes
Salary Minimums - timeconsumer - 07-19-2018
If you raise the minimums all that will happen is people will sign for the new minimum, and still find ways to game the system by holding TPE etc until they re-sign and blah blah blah. You'll change the amount but the minimum game is going to stay exactly the same, and I think that could be a worse problem.
My concern is that I don't want to be a league where we essentially shut out the non-media, non-graphics casuals because everyone in every TPE tier has to be as close to the minimum as possible or else a team has no chance to compete. And the only players who do have a chance to score a decent contract are one or two big free agents on each team. In order to prevent that there needs to be wiggle room in contracts so that you can have some $1m players (no matter how good) as well as some $5m players and $10m players.
Really I think one of the underlying issues is that money has no scarcity in this league. We have money for twitter, money for fantasy football, money for jobs, money for reddit, you get the point.