*Chris Orosz and Wyatt Fulton

[ADwyer87]

Well, time to pick this apart.

Conversely, Boss and Bronko sit at about the same. And he was considered on par with them.

I make that he was Elite, and threat that teams had to plan for even in his Alex Smith days.

ummmmm. as a former GM, i have to disagree

Just so you understand how crazy good Orosz was, with the exception of season 3, he was a top 3 quarterback in terms of least interceptions thrown.

False. Season 2, he threw the 3rd MOST interceptions of the 8 starters, S7 he threw the 4th most

He was dangerously scary with the football because defenses couldn’t rely on him like Bronko, Boss and Pierno to turn the ball over in the air, and his security was second to none.

excuse me??? i have 5 more interceptions than him in a little over 100 more throws, my interceptions percentage is nearly the same as his. Boss the same, he has a lot more ints but a ton more passes. Akselsen is a little higher than him on ints too, but its literally 2.2% vs. 2.3% vs. 2.4% vs. 2.5%. then you got Blocksdale at 2.1%, so theres that. But honestly, if your main thing is "but interceptions!" really all this proves is he's around the right area. If your case is based solely on ints, which it seems to be, that doesnt really work. Also, come on man, saying "Bronko, Boss, and Pierno" like our interception rates of, respectively, 0.1% and 0.2% higher than Orosz' are the same as Pierno's ungodly 7.7% interception rate is just silly bro.

Chris Orosz never threw more interceptions than touchdowns in any season. That’s something that no other quarterback who started as a quarterback can say.

So incredibly wrong. I can say that. Vincent Draxel can say that. Ethan Hunt can say that. Mat Akselsen can say that. Wallace Stone can say that. Tyler Oles can say that. Borkus Maximus can say that. Its not a super exclusive club, and honestly, a few names in the club are far from elite. In fact, 4 members of this club are barely in it: Hunt, Maximus, Stone, and your boy Orosz.

Defenses hated to play against him and he was the first NSFL Quarterback to really cause GMs to plan around him, especially in Yellowknife.

Once again, as former GM, I would disagree. Boss was the first GM that made me gameplan around.

He is up there with Boss and Bronko. If you don’t think both of those belong in the Hall, then ok, but to say Bronko does and Orosz doesn’t is a crime.

Now I am partially biased against this, but once again, I must disagree. This is where I'll back up my stuff with some stats. We already know, interception rates of the trio are nearly identical. But what about TDs, passer rating, and completion percentage?

QB 1: TD ratio - 5.4%, TD/INT ratio - 2.21, YPA - 7.8, career passer rating - 93.1, highest passer rating - 103.8, lowest passer rating - 67.4, career completion percentage - 60.6, highest completion percentage - 65.3%, lowest completion percentage - 55.8%
QB 2: TD ratio - 5.2%, TD/INT ratio - 2.23, YPA - 7.3, career passer rating - 89.4, highest passer rating - 96.0, lowest passer rating - 77.1, career completion percentage - 59.4, highest completion percentage - 67.3%, lowest completion percentage - 55.0%
QB 3: TD ratio - 3.8%, TD/INT ratio - 1.69, YPA - 6.9, career passer rating - 82.9, highest passer rating - 88.4, lowest passer rating - 71.6, career completion percentage - 58.3, highest completion percentage - 63.6%, lowest completion percentage - 52.2%

So i wanna start going over this, since i feel like career stat wise, this is what is gonna matter (besides interception ratio which we already went over). QB 1 is Boss, QB 2 is Bronko, and QB 3 is Orosz. I think the first two stats are the most damning by far. Yeah, Orosz was a marginally safer qb than the two, with 4.5-9% lower INT ratio. But the TD ratio is a huge difference, with a 37-42% lower TD ratio.

Then the TD/INT ratio comes in, with Bronko actually in the lead (dab). Now of course theres the ratio, which overall is not too terrible at 31-32%, but still not ideal. But i think the difference is overall better told with the ratio above 1 and just the raw difference. I think the ratio above one is more important just because, well, honestly, any QB that has more INTs than TDs is garbo. i think dead even has to be the standard for at least a decent QB. Then, using that info, the ratio over "replacement QB" would be a much more staggering is a much more alarming 75-78%. Also i just think the raw numbers are pretty telling. Sure, overall Orosz threw less INTs, but then to consider that for every INT thrown, Bronko and Boss threw a little over a half a TD more than him.

I think next is career passer rating and completion percentage. First i'll start with completion percentage, because honestly, its marginal, and its only fair of me to throw it out. Secondly is career passer rating. Boss is 2nd overall in career, Bronko is 3rd overall. Orosz is 6th, and i think the ranking and raw difference is good evidence.

Lastly, I think the key is seasons. I think the thing that truly sets him back is that elite season, or that season record. Thats not everything of course, but i think it counts for something. He does have S1-2 top QB, but I think in the end it didnt stand the test of (very short) time. I think this is the big thing i see as a difference:

Boss - Single Game Passing Yards Record(522), Single Game Passing TDs Record(8), 4 in the top 10 in Passing Completions(1st-420, T-2nd-412, 5th-392, 7th-380), 4 in the top 10 in Completion Percentage(2nd-65.3%, 6th-62.1%, 9th-60.9, 10th-60.7), 5 in the top 10 in Passing Yards(1st-5545, 2nd-5516, 3rd-5318, 5th-5077, 7th-5043), 3 in the top 10 in Passing TDs(T-3rd-41, 5th-40, T-9th-36), 3 in the top 10 in passer rating(1st-103.8, 2nd-99.2, 4th-98.6)
Bronko - 2 in the top 10 Pass Completions(T-2nd-412, 10th-371), 1st in Completion Percentage(67.8), 2 in the top 10 of Passing Yards(8th-5000, 10th-4719), 1st in Passing TDs(44), 2 in the top 10 in passer rating(9th-96, 10th-94.9)
Orosz - Single Game Passer Rating Record(157.5), T-3rd in Completion Percentage in a Season(63.6%)

Lastly i think with the highpoints, the difference is the low points for these QBs. Boss had the worst season in S1, but obviously made up for it with like, the rest of his career being incredible haha. Bronko's bad seasons were very high. Like i think at times i was the 4th-5th best QB in the league, but thats still at my worst i was an average QB that put up solid numbers, and at my best I broke records. I think when you look at Orosz, he hit the super low points like in S7, but his high points just weren't as high as the other QBs.

I know i just kinda shit on Orosz, so I wanna say that I think he is still a great QB. I just think in the end, he is a Hall of Very Good player.

As for Wyatt Fulton, the story is simple. Dude created the Yeti and the Yeti were good under him (til Noble fiasco). You cannot tell the story on the NSFL without him. He belongs in the Hall, maybe as a GM more than a player.

This is potentially a reason to add a builder(which i hope to add, but later) but not the actual player, Fulton. I also think this is bad logic for two reasons. One, Fulton was only GM for two seasons, right? And made the playoffs once. If thats the basis for a Hall of Fame "builder", half the league is gonna be in there by the time we're done. Two, the Noble scandal. His success is tied to Noble cheating. Thats the same reason I would invalidate myself from builder status, since my success is tied to the Er scandal. That of course is not to say he was bad, just a red flag imo