(12-09-2020, 06:42 PM)ZootTX Wrote:(12-09-2020, 04:43 PM)TeyonSchavari Wrote:(12-09-2020, 04:36 PM)Raven Wrote:(12-09-2020, 04:35 PM)TeyonSchavari Wrote: Feels a bit harsh to me, but my hope is that this was done with past precedent in mind in order to keep consistency and with the thought of appeals possibly lowering the sentence. If I were HO I would have looked at the Zamir case and gone off that, which seems to be what happened. Would I have pushed for the same punishment that Zamir? Probably not. But this is what appeals is for - hope they lighten up the punishment.
Sorry Teyon this thread doesn't allow well thought out statements, you should be flinging your shit at ho as the rest of the apes
Shit you're right...heck HO
Should HO be handing out punishments with the expectation that the appeals team will lighten it up, though? Appeals are meant as a check, but I disagree that the process is best if HO just dishes out stringent punishments with the intent of appeals 'fixing' them.
Not exactly what I meant but I see how it is interpreted that way. Here's how I woulda handled it if still HO:
1. Look at past precedent
2. Determine punishment based on past precedent
3. Pass along the punishment
Which in this case seems to be 1. Zamir is the past case of tampering on the forums with a similar message. 2. Therefore, the punishment should be consistent with how we've punished others in the past. 3. Post the punishment, as done here.
In the back of all of our minds though, we may think, you know this might be too much. But if it is nearly identical to a past case then why would HO be less strict than that? At that point, you have to lean towards consistency, but you also know that if the appeals team finds that it is different enough to lighten the punishment, then great. Thats why it's important to have that check in place. Because as soon as HO begins picking and choosing when they are harsh and when they are light, the league will start to see it as corruption or picking favorites, which is problematic for obvious reasons. Had HO decided in the previous tampering case that Zamir was joking and it wasn't worthy of a full tampering punishment, or if appeals had decided that HO was wrong in that case, then this would be a different conversation.
From experience, being HO is hard af and I believe they are trying to be consistent with past rulings. They aren't leaning on appeals team to lighten the punishment, rather giving another party a chance to tell HO that this case should be handled differently than it was in the past.