*Should We Expand (Hint: Yes)

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#1 I didn't say 20 was normal. I said it was a full roster. Including multiple o-line players and at least one backup on each side. And as someone else alluded to...this number has never actually been a reality. It's literally the number I use because its so big it cant be called underselling. 

#2 When you say all I'm doing is looking at roster counts and not who is and isn't active, and then you spit numbers back at me that I already used, it makes me wonder if you bothered to fully read the article, which extensively separates these groups. 

#3 Yes, I agree teams would average less TPE all around. That's not a problem. It's a feature. The incredibly high TPE totals around the league are a big part of why teams are currently averaging 5 send downs apiece. This is not a thing to protect. This isn't PBE. We're here to get players onto the field. Not protect the stashes of GMs. 

#4 No matter how many times you say this was the most pushed update in league history, it was the least active period for activity checks in 6 months. Representing it as a high point of activity in the face of that is not an argument that sits for me. 

#5 Recruitment sizes are a consistently debated topic. They've been referred to as a fluke for nearly 2 real life years running. I'm tired of hearing about this wolf. It hasn't eaten the village yet. 



Waiting until we are wildly overstuffed and have to panic expand is the main reason why the DSFL has had its biggest REAL problems. That being huge size fluctuations. Expanding across two seasons is a stable way to allow the DSFL to not be drained at once as it would really only remove about 40 people at max out of what was 75 stashed, without accounting for either S28 or S29's players. It's a stable way to get ahead of the curve and deal with the oversaturation of players. And yes no matter what else, any time the DSFL is in a position where its send downs outnumber its ACTUAL players, while ACTIVE ISFL rosters are at or near capacity, that's an oversaturation.

1. Just because a team has a full roster doesn't mean every player is active, earning, or contributing to the league. The current rosters are a bubble, and they're going to pop. Once the IAs are auto-killed by regression and the S22 class all retires, we drop off a cliff.

2. I'm saying your numbers are wrong; you say we have 345 active ISFL and DSFL players. I'm saying we had 348 players update in the last month, and several of them are not actually active. The numbers are inflated by GMs posting updates.

3. Fair. Decreasing parity is fine, but you can't tell me that throwing a sub 200 TPE player into the ISFL is going to be enjoyable for them. Retention will take a hit.

4. I think we're looking at the same information and are drawing different conclusions. Activity Checks being low, in my mind, screams "don't expand". Not to mention that Activity Checks are a flawed metric. How many DSFL teams use them to keep players alive so they can be usable for another season? (All of them.)

5. I think slm is correct that we had some really poor luck with our r/nfl post this season, but that just proves my point. We have to rely on the numbers we have now. Without knowing what happens when the S22 bubble bursts we are setting ourselves up for failure. It's too soon.