04-01-2021, 10:38 AM
(This post was last modified: 04-01-2021, 10:40 AM by ReverendOReily.)
Hi person from the future who's reading this thread several months later to catch up on hot forum drama. I hope you're having a nice day.
How many more times will HO take the nuclear option in a situation like this while simultaneously keeping most of the userbase in the dark about what exactly happened/why you reached the conclusions you did? Do you guys get kicks out of watching the poor interns communicate with the angry mobs? How many more times will we hear "yeah the punishment might've been harsh but that's what appeals is there for" from a member of HO, as if a punishment thread and the resulting forum shitshow can just be CTRL-Z'd and wiped away? As if Appeals team only exists to unfuck situations like this one. As if being the subject of a punishment thread doesn't affect your reputation in this league and its affiliates - don't worry, if your punishment is successfully appealed, it'll be like it never even happened! Except not really.
Did nobody in HO see this reaction coming? Nobody stopped to think "if we fire (without warning, and without providing any evidence upfront) this loved member of the community who has put a lot of effort into making the league a better place, how upset will people be?" I'm sure someone had that thought, and I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it was met with something along the lines of "whatever they complain about everything we do anyway" in response. Maybe I'm just being pessimistic, but it sure does sometimes feel like certain members of HO view the playerbase as a general nuisance. When I read condescending comments from members of HO about how we need to all put our reading comprehension caps on, it really doesn't do anything to sweeten that taste in my mouth.
It's cool to see HO members in this thread recognize that things went wrong throughout this process. It's cool to see Darkness explain his point of view in this thread - that kind of transparency is incredibly helpful, even if it feels like you're shouting into a brick wall at times. It's cool to see HO members like Swanty acknowledge the need for a postmortem of this situation, so that HO can talk through what they feel might've gone wrong. I hope such a postmortem does happen - wouldn't it be lovely to have some evidence come out *before* the forum shitshow occurs, instead of evidence only ever being revealed because there's an angry mob in the punishment thread?
I'd like to end this diatribe two ways - first, by apologizing to Kya for the fact that her name is now attached to the most replied to/viewed punishment thread in league history (and yet we've still got people saying "it's ok appeals will clean this up nicely don't you worry" lmfao). All because she tried to apply a little leniency to this shouldn't-be-super-serious forum game that we all play. Or was it because of that 2.5 TPE she gave herself and r0tz? Who even knows anymore?
Second, if you ever find yourself wanting to complain in management chat about the fact that you missed out on 2 TPE, just shut up. Things will go over a lot smoother if you just keep it to yourself.
How many more times will HO take the nuclear option in a situation like this while simultaneously keeping most of the userbase in the dark about what exactly happened/why you reached the conclusions you did? Do you guys get kicks out of watching the poor interns communicate with the angry mobs? How many more times will we hear "yeah the punishment might've been harsh but that's what appeals is there for" from a member of HO, as if a punishment thread and the resulting forum shitshow can just be CTRL-Z'd and wiped away? As if Appeals team only exists to unfuck situations like this one. As if being the subject of a punishment thread doesn't affect your reputation in this league and its affiliates - don't worry, if your punishment is successfully appealed, it'll be like it never even happened! Except not really.
Did nobody in HO see this reaction coming? Nobody stopped to think "if we fire (without warning, and without providing any evidence upfront) this loved member of the community who has put a lot of effort into making the league a better place, how upset will people be?" I'm sure someone had that thought, and I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it was met with something along the lines of "whatever they complain about everything we do anyway" in response. Maybe I'm just being pessimistic, but it sure does sometimes feel like certain members of HO view the playerbase as a general nuisance. When I read condescending comments from members of HO about how we need to all put our reading comprehension caps on, it really doesn't do anything to sweeten that taste in my mouth.
It's cool to see HO members in this thread recognize that things went wrong throughout this process. It's cool to see Darkness explain his point of view in this thread - that kind of transparency is incredibly helpful, even if it feels like you're shouting into a brick wall at times. It's cool to see HO members like Swanty acknowledge the need for a postmortem of this situation, so that HO can talk through what they feel might've gone wrong. I hope such a postmortem does happen - wouldn't it be lovely to have some evidence come out *before* the forum shitshow occurs, instead of evidence only ever being revealed because there's an angry mob in the punishment thread?
I'd like to end this diatribe two ways - first, by apologizing to Kya for the fact that her name is now attached to the most replied to/viewed punishment thread in league history (and yet we've still got people saying "it's ok appeals will clean this up nicely don't you worry" lmfao). All because she tried to apply a little leniency to this shouldn't-be-super-serious forum game that we all play. Or was it because of that 2.5 TPE she gave herself and r0tz? Who even knows anymore?
Second, if you ever find yourself wanting to complain in management chat about the fact that you missed out on 2 TPE, just shut up. Things will go over a lot smoother if you just keep it to yourself.
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