Kyamprac Player Progression Head Removal

[TheRealMazatt]

Why does the league not separate this into claims being denied/accepted that are actually meaningful? It would definitely be worth the time it takes to see how many predictions were accepted before/after the sim started to be considered "late." That's the level of care and nuance that should go into determining the severity of the punishment. Even a cursory glance at the sheet shows that every 'illegal' claim is being treated the same way which is a massive, massive misstep on behalf of HO. Being able to see the processed claims that could arguably have an advantage gained would go a long way in coming to a decision that doesn't alienate your user base.

Sims start at 6:00PM for me, Whatamus, Lime, and Exilizer having their claims processed before that 6:00PM start time but after 5:45 is technically illegal, but treating those as somehow unfair or unjust to the league is completely blind to the role HO's should play in regards to supporting league health. For example, 3lewsers submitted 1 point task late in S20. They posted it 7 minutes before the sim even started. It is impossible to argue that there is advantage gained by what they did, but they are still going to lose TPE. That is mindless. Same thing goes for Point Tasks themselves, why should it be listed that Daybe loses 3 TPE because they posted their PT 3 minutes late? 

Having leniency on allowing users to claim TPE that is unimpacted by arbitrary times is a good thing for the league. This retributive form of punishment serves no one any good. No users are happy they lose TPE, no one is happy to see others do the work and not get rewarded because of three minutes, it's all just pointless. Genuinely, no one is better off now that these moves have been made. The league should only be removing TPE if they have definitive proof the delay in posting allowed them to view sims and gain TPE they othewise wouldn't have. Otherwise it is punishing users and their players because HO has a different standard of success relative to the people actually doing the jobs.

So for me this is pretty simple to address and goes back to something I said either on this post or the other one. "A deadline is a deadline".

If you start saying "Deadliine is at X time" but then accept entries made up to 15 minutes after, then what is the point of that being the deadline or having that deadline exist? Or if you are going to accept up to 15 minutes after the deadline, you can make the argument that 16 minutes (1 minute into stream) doesn't do anything cause it has the count down timer, same as 17 minutes. Games take around 10 minutes to complete and you certainly can't tell who wins in the first quarter majority of the time, so does that mean the window could be extended to 20?

This all leads to a giant slipper slope of inconsistency and is ripe for issues being created. The best way to stop is to enforce a deadline, which is what has happened here. There is argument and support for moving the deadline to the start of sim time instead of having it 15 minutes before hand and there is merits to that, but ultimately, I say again, "a deadline is a deadline". Im sure there was people that saw they were late by a couple minutes and therefore didn't post anything cause they knew that they wouldn't, or rather shouldn't, get the TPE.

This mention of the slippery slope is questionable to me when HO are the ones who have the discretion, and power to prevent it from going forward. A deadline is a deadline, but upholding that to the very minute is an anti-player move as people who have rightfully preformed tasks and earned TPE have had it taken away. Not every standard followed has to be taken as gospel. I fail to see how having an unspoken rule of "if someone posts a prediction between 15-0 minutes prior to the sim, we allow the claim but will DM/inform them that they should avoid that in the future," doesn't serve the same purpose without removing TPE.

And that's just for predictions. When it comes to PTs themselves is there really any reason beyond "we decided it" that 11:59 on sunday is the cut-off? So in that case, why should players be punished via taking away TPE because the claim was up late? You can argue the slippery slope of when the PT head closes the thread or what not, but that does not take away from the fact that users have done the work necessary to earn TPE but an arbitrary timeline has taken it away.

The end of it all is the fact that the moves being made here are anti-player. The players want to do work and expect to be compensated, PT's being accepted slightly late is pro-player and hurts nobody. Being retributive and taking away TPE is starkly anti-player and serves benefit to nobody. Head Office, as an official organization that it wants to be viewed as, can't be forgetting the entire purpose of the decisions they want to make. The main role of HO is to support and make decisions as a reflection of the userbase, and to support the health of the league. The userbase does not want to see TPE taken away, and in doing so it hurts the health of the league. That should hold more weight than a slippery slope.