S25 Rules Summit Results

[Oles]

Yeah don't agree with GMs/HO having any sort of PT pass. PT pass was originally intended as an extra thing to get certain jobs more interest, especially those that were either A) doing a lot of work that would cause it to be hard to keep up with a player (like simmer where you have to spend many hours doing work in the file and sim) or B) jobs that do extremely crucial work that were not getting a lot of applicants, such as Updater.

The optics of HO/GMs voting on whether to give themselves a pay raise is incredibly funny, because it looks like y'all are patting yourself on the back for a good job. These passes were never meant to be handed out willy nilly, instead a commodity for only the worst of league work. Now any HO or GM member gets free UW even if they may not be doing the work required. 0 safeguards have been put in place to prevent HO/GM members from just coasting and getting a free ultimus week, and this vote shows they will probably vote on PT pass in the future and get it. Might as well give every job PT pass at this point.

[Opera_Phantom]

I agree with Oles. Give every job full PT pass + UW.

No bias.

[bex]

Yeah don't agree with GMs/HO having any sort of PT pass. PT pass was originally intended as an extra thing to get certain jobs more interest, especially those that were either A) doing a lot of work that would cause it to be hard to keep up with a player (like simmer where you have to spend many hours doing work in the file and sim) or B) jobs that do extremely crucial work that were not getting a lot of applicants, such as Updater.

The optics of HO/GMs voting on whether to give themselves a pay raise is incredibly funny, because it looks like y'all are patting yourself on the back for a good job. These passes were never meant to be handed out willy nilly, instead a commodity for only the worst of league work. Now any HO or GM member gets free UW even if they may not be doing the work required. 0 safeguards have been put in place to prevent HO/GM members from just coasting and getting a free ultimus week, and this vote shows they will probably vote on PT pass in the future and get it. Might as well give every job PT pass at this point.

I won't speak too much to  the GM portion of this, because I think the UW pass for GMs makes sense. Having more time and energy to put into draft prep and other off-season moves should be a positive for the league. 

As for HO, we do a lot of work. To use your words, crucial work, and work that can make it hard to keep up with a player. So the idea that giving HO a full PT pass is unreasonable isn't something I can agree with. Now, on a personal level, a PT pass is actually useless for me as a multi-league user, so the decision doesn't actually impact me. But HO has an incredibly high workload (and related, an incredibly high burnout rate) and the idea that HO could just coast isn't one that has much basis in reality. If a member of HO isn't doing their job, they don't remain in HO, plain and simple. We have too much work to be doing to let people be in HO for a free ride.

[Matty7478]

This rule summit really do be vibin' tho

[Baron1898]

I agree with Oles. Give every job full PT pass + UW.

No bias.

Yeah no bias on this front but that’d be really nice

Also Rule 1 not passing is a travesty. Awards committee already had to work around it once and everyone was fine with it not being there. I sincerely hope this gets passed next offseason, the 60% limit is more than enough.

Also also, the clear and obvious GM/HO split on Rule 6 is hilarious.

[bex]

I agree with Oles. Give every job full PT pass + UW.

No bias.

Yeah no bias on this front but that’d be really nice

Also Rule 1 not passing is a travesty. Awards committee already had to work around it once and everyone was fine with it not being there. I sincerely hope this gets passed next offseason, the 60% limit is more than enough.

Also also, the clear and obvious GM/HO split on Rule 6 is hilarious.

Don't let the numbers fool ya! HO proposed 6 and desperately wanted it to pass. (assuming we're talking about HO awards vote 6 and not can't be in war rooms 6)

[AdamS]

The S25 ISFL Rules Summit has recently come to a close.  GMs, Head Office members and Department Heads were encouraged to submit proposed changes to the rulebook and league procedure. With 21 voting members (14 teams, 5 HO members, 1 league owner, and 1 simmer), 15 votes were needed for a proposal to pass.

Below is the full list of proposed rule changes and the final voting results for each.

1. Eliminate Rule 4 Section 3 of the Awards Section as it too strictly limits player flexibility. Rule 4 Section 2 (the 60% rule) has shown to be more than enough of a clear limiter without Section 3 on top of it.

14 For - 7 Against
Rule Does NOT Pass

Who voted against this? This was literally passed as an emergency vote for last seasons awards. The way the current rule is worded most people playing out of position, even in one formation, will be ineligible for awards.

Eliminate Rule 4 Section 3 of the Awards Section as it to strictly limits player flexibility. Rule 4 Section 2 (the 60% rule) has shown to be more than enough of a clear limiter without Section 3 on top of it

4. Positional eligibility for award- A player is only eligible for awards at a position that they actually played during the season, not necessarily their listed position. A Player's position in terms of eligibility for awards will be decided by the following:
      1. The FL position will be considered the "Flex Position," and is a position unique to itself.
      2. A player must be listed as the starter at a specific position on the depth chart at least 60% (3/5) of the season.
      3. A player must NOT play outside their listed position during any time throughout the season, UNLESS they play in the FL position OR the FB
            position (not the designation).

The bold is what we wanted to eliminate. 60% rule is more than enough, we don't need to check depth charts every week.

Well...sadly the best thing to do here is to make them live by the standard they've defended. 

And while I'm here.....good work on making use of the in season rule voting. A helpful little role that people forgot about then tried to change the definition of because they didn't know what it was. But in reality was put in place specifically to deal with any situation that arises.

[SchwarzNarr]

The S25 ISFL Rules Summit has recently come to a close.  GMs, Head Office members and Department Heads were encouraged to submit proposed changes to the rulebook and league procedure. With 21 voting members (14 teams, 5 HO members, 1 league owner, and 1 simmer), 15 votes were needed for a proposal to pass.

Below is the full list of proposed rule changes and the final voting results for each.

1. Eliminate Rule 4 Section 3 of the Awards Section as it too strictly limits player flexibility. Rule 4 Section 2 (the 60% rule) has shown to be more than enough of a clear limiter without Section 3 on top of it.

14 For - 7 Against
Rule Does NOT Pass

Who voted against this? This was literally passed as an emergency vote for last seasons awards. The way the current rule is worded most people playing out of position, even in one formation, will be ineligible for awards.

Eliminate Rule 4 Section 3 of the Awards Section as it to strictly limits player flexibility. Rule 4 Section 2 (the 60% rule) has shown to be more than enough of a clear limiter without Section 3 on top of it

4. Positional eligibility for award- A player is only eligible for awards at a position that they actually played during the season, not necessarily their listed position. A Player's position in terms of eligibility for awards will be decided by the following:
      1. The FL position will be considered the "Flex Position," and is a position unique to itself.
      2. A player must be listed as the starter at a specific position on the depth chart at least 60% (3/5) of the season.
      3. A player must NOT play outside their listed position during any time throughout the season, UNLESS they play in the FL position OR the FB
            position (not the designation).

The bold is what we wanted to eliminate. 60% rule is more than enough, we don't need to check depth charts every week.

Adding to this: Is this only impacting the ISFL? Because this wasn't on the universal ballot, so DSFL GMs had no say in it.

[AdamS]

public rule voting results

[mithrandir]

Lots of incredibly close decisions. As a GM, I just want to say it is ridiculous that GMs get an UW pass but HO does not get a full PT pass.

But the optics of HO giving themselves PT passes is really bad lol

But it is not HO giving themselves PT passes. It is the GMs giving you the passes.