Kyamprac Player Progression Head Removal

[furiousPanda]

We are an organization. We have to hold each other accountable. Yes this spans back a significant amount of time but someone has to take the punishment for it. If players are audited then those who give out the points should be as well. There are instances where time is an issue, mainly daylight savings, and such can cause problems. This whole ordeal was a process I am sure. It's not an attack on the user, it's setting a precedent that we want to keep consistency and keep people accountable for actions. You let people have the tpe and people call it an advantage, you take it away and people scream that they are being robbed. No one wins in either situation.

 
So the precedent of deleting evidence is okay?

[Bigred1580]

OK, so as a former PPT Head for quite awhile, I am pretty shocked by this punishment. I do no have any of the data that was collected, but I was PPT Head in S16 which is where the audit went back to. I am fairly certain I gave tpe to people who were slightly late. I gave partial credit to some people who were under the required word counts. Sometimes I gave warnings, and I was harsher on repeat offenders. But as a Department head, The leagues number one goal is player experience to maintain retention. Being lenient is more likely to help that than being harsh. I wouldn't say I helped anyone because they were a teammate or a friend, but I was pretty consistent. Warning, deduction, and then no credit. I feel like I would also bring this up with the team and we would discuss it together. I kinda think the entire audit is bogus because you can't look at S16 and know what the league was like or the reasons for the decisions that were made. What if a user had sent me a DM saying they would be late, and I gave credit, an audit wouldn't show that. I just think this decision and the oversight that came with it is a bit messed up. Be that as it may, I feel if she is punished then I should be punished. Probably more so since I set a precedent that she followed. So, I don't really have a job to be fired from, but fine me...

[DarknessRising]

Alright so, this post is only the beginning of addressing some of the things that have came up because there is 7 pages of this and I'm not gonna go through and quote everyone when I think everyone would be very interested in  hearing some more insight/perspective from HO. State it first that can always DM me about this and ima try my best to answer concerns just bare with me please.

I think the easiest thing to start off with is separating this into two different sections, 1 regarding the TPE removal and 1 regarding PPT head/Kya.

Firstly the easiest one i think to digest for people, Removal of TPE. Objectively, people completed tasks past a deadline and should not have received the TPE. The deadline is stated on almost all PT's and predictions (Not gonna say all because i haven't checked myself but it more than likely is). This left us in a position where we either
a) Leave this illegal/wrong TPE on people
b) Remove the illegal/wrong TPE off people
c) Give people who were late their TPE>

C is a point I think some people haven't thought of. This entirely investigation started with one conversation in management server with a user complaining about being denied tpe for being late whilst others were late and got it. I was the first one on this and investigated just the last seasons weekly predictions (I think this occurred around Ultimus week, not too sure). If we investigated this and then did not remove tpe, the people who were denied would rightfully be annoyed since some people who did break the deadline have received credit whilst others have not. From personal perspective, as soon as i brought this up to HO as a bigger issue to look into after that one conversation, I was always for and would have pushed the removal of TPE from users as it both makes it fair to those who were denied and follows the deadlines that are set in place. 

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Now the bigger part i know most of yous have a problem with, The removal of Kya as PPT Head.

I think it goes without saying that this was not a quick and simple process to remove someone as the head of a position. The data that was collected on late PT's and predictions was clear that as a grader/poster, and their time as head, there was a substantially large increase in the percentage of late tasks being approved. (Note that of course, these two numbers play off each other so its pretty easy to worse of both). Going back to the beginning, when the complaint was made in management server and whilst I was investigating it, Kya came online (I think she was tagged) and stated that she does approve late tasks and given them full credit. This is where I instantly brought it to HO, as for me, this is a head of a department, being truthful and honest, saying that they have not followed the rules in place.

I don't think what i will say in terms of the firing will make many people change their mind, but the vote saw the option or Probation, Firing or no action, even talk of relieving her of head and making her a normal member of PPT if she so choosed.  At the end of the vote, as apparent, the majority vote (including both ISFL and DSFL HO) was fire. This investigation spanned somewhere in the range of 2-4 weeks and there was always back and forth on it and the outcome. What has to be understood is that the data of 12 seasons had Kya has 1) The worse performing head 2) The worst performing grader. 3)Openly admitting they had done it. There will always be conjecture on whether this was on purpose, especially when it comes to her grading her own and colleague's task that was late, but the facts that the investigation turned up, for HO and at least i can say myself, these numbers and results were a large reason for her being fire as it was no mistake that these claims were approved

[MN_Moosey]

We are an organization. We have to hold each other accountable. Yes this spans back a significant amount of time but someone has to take the punishment for it. If players are audited then those who give out the points should be as well. There are instances where time is an issue, mainly daylight savings, and such can cause problems. This whole ordeal was a process I am sure. It's not an attack on the user, it's setting a precedent that we want to keep consistency and keep people accountable for actions. You let people have the tpe and people call it an advantage, you take it away and people scream that they are being robbed. No one wins in either situation.

 
So the precedent of deleting evidence is okay?

I personally do not condone the actions of deleting evidence. I am no league official and had no say in such a decision. Referencing a situation that was dealt with under different league rules and structure does nothing to resolve the one at hand.

[Tonzy]

Alright so, this post is only the beginning of addressing some of the things that have came up because there is 7 pages of this and I'm not gonna go through and quote everyone when I think everyone would be very interested in  hearing some more insight/perspective from HO. State it first that can always DM me about this and ima try my best to answer concerns just bare with me please.

I think the easiest thing to start off with is separating this into two different sections, 1 regarding the TPE removal and 1 regarding PPT head/Kya.

Firstly the easiest one i think to digest for people, Removal of TPE. Objectively, people completed tasks past a deadline and should not have received the TPE. The deadline is stated on almost all PT's and predictions (Not gonna say all because i haven't checked myself but it more than likely is). This left us in a position where we either
a) Leave this illegal/wrong TPE on people
b) Remove the illegal/wrong TPE off people
c) Give people who were late their TPE>

C is a point I think some people haven't thought of. This entirely investigation started with one conversation in management server with a user complaining about being denied tpe for being late whilst others were late and got it. I was the first one on this and investigated just the last seasons weekly predictions (I think this occurred around Ultimus week, not too sure). If we investigated this and then did not remove tpe, the people who were denied would rightfully be annoyed since some people who did break the deadline have received credit whilst others have not. From personal perspective, as soon as i brought this up to HO as a bigger issue to look into after that one conversation, I was always for and would have pushed the removal of TPE from users as it both makes it fair to those who were denied and follows the deadlines that are set in place. 

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Now the bigger part i know most of yous have a problem with, The removal of Kya as PPT Head.

I think it goes without saying that this was not a quick and simple process to remove someone as the head of a position. The data that was collected on late PT's and predictions was clear that as a grader/poster, and their time as head, there was a substantially large increase in the percentage of late tasks being approved. (Note that of course, these two numbers play off each other so its pretty easy to worse of both). Going back to the beginning, when the complaint was made in management server and whilst I was investigating it, Kya came online (I think she was tagged) and stated that she does approve late tasks and given them full credit. This is where I instantly brought it to HO, as for me, this is a head of a department, being truthful and honest, saying that they have not followed the rules in place.

I don't think what i will say in terms of the firing will make many people change their mind, but the vote saw the option or Probation, Firing or no action, even talk of relieving her of head and making her a normal member of PPT if she so choosed.  At the end of the vote, as apparent, the majority vote (including both ISFL and DSFL HO) was fire. This investigation spanned somewhere in the range of 2-4 weeks and there was always back and forth on it and the outcome. What has to be understood is that the data of 12 seasons had Kya has 1) The worse performing head 2) The worst performing grader. 3)Openly admitting they had done it. There will always be conjecture on whether this was on purpose, especially when it comes to her grading her own and colleague's task that was late, but the facts that the investigation turned up, for HO and at least i can say myself, these numbers and results were a large reason for her being fire as it was no mistake that these claims were approved

I believe I speak for everyone when I say that we would love for this data to be shared so we can see for ourselves this giant discrepancy that is being mentioned that clearly shows that Kya is the worst performing head and worst grader. It especially interesting that just above your post you have an ex-PT head stating that he too allowed late claims and claims under the word count. He also mentions that it's impossible to gather all the evidence surrounding reasons for allowing a late PT, something which you in HO have apparently done.

[bovovovo]

Sounds like this decision has created a lot of drama so I am in support of it

[124715]

damn two HOs spent 2-4 weeks and never thought of "Hey Kya! You need to stop approving late PTs"

[Tonzy]

damn two HOs spent 2-4 weeks and never thought of "Hey Kya! You need to stop approving late PTs"

I have a hard time believing this was ever about stopping late PTs. This had been going on for years and no one ever had a problem with it till Kya was in charge.

[DarknessRising]

I have a hard time believing this was ever about stopping late PTs. This had been going on for years and no one ever had a problem with it till Kya was in charge.

This line of thinking should really be stopped. I AM THE ONE WHO STARTED THIS. This started from a complain I INVESTIGATED MYSELF without any sort of HO angle to it. It had nothing to do with who the head was, just the discrepancies between grading that were pointed out and found in MY PRELIMANARY investigation.

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[Frick_Nasty]

@DarknessRising heel turn was not what expected this season