Make Money Mean Something

[dropbear]

There's been a lot of great discussion on Discord today about how there is currently no incentive for active users to take contracts above the minimum required of them.

As a solution to this, I recommend adding new, 'elite tier' training options that focus on individual attributes to encourage users to think about asking for more in their contracts.

I will give an example based on being a WR.

Current Equipment and Training Options Per Season
4 x Professional Equipment = $12m
~5 x Weekly Training = $5m
Total = $17m

Remember, this is targetted at users who are active and large contributors. So it is not unreasonable to assume a league job and moderate to heavy activity in media and GFX. As such, I would list pre-contract earnings as approximately $10m per season, comprised of $4m from the job and $6m from activity around the league.

That leaves a $7m gap to completely max out a player each season. That is a very low bar for the sort of activity we get from our biggest users. For reference, I think I earnt $5m in one night by churning out a media piece so that I could buy a bunch of pro gear.

Recommended Additional Training Options
With recent rule updates, a WR can get +12 TPE in hands for just $3m. As such, I think it's fair to suggest +20 TPE for $5m. After all, 20 TPE is only 2 stat points or less once you're nearing the max for your attributes.

I believe every position can utilise some combination of 6 different attribute increases. For example, a WR would be hands, speed, agility, strength, intelligence, endurance. You could even throw in the two types of blocking instead if you're a masochist.

So, after my initial $17m outlay to get professional equipment and weekly training, I would then need:

• $5m for Hands
• $5m for Speed
• $5m for Agility
• $5m for Strength
• $5m for an additional attribute
• $5m for an additional attribute

That's a total of an extra $30m I'd need each season to be a top TPE earner. All in all that's $47m.

If I get $4m from the league, and even up to $16m from consistent, in-depth media or GFX, I'm still nearly $30m short of what I need to max out. Am I going to want to be closer to a $1m or $10m per year contract now?

Also, people could stop simply at hands and speed, or even just one of the two and likely feel perfectly content. It's not an all-or-nothing setup. People can earn up to what they want, and the media section is always there and waiting to pay them should they wish to get some TPE boosts.

At present, as an active user I find that I max out too quickly and am treading water until training camp. I'd love to actually struggle to hit the TPE max each season.

So, what are your thoughts?

[Bzerkap]

It's definitely a good thought and something that needs to be adressed but I'm unsure if this is the best method as it might simply create more of a have/have not situation. Those crazies will just churn out media anyway.

[dropbear]

It's definitely a good thought and something that needs to be adressed but I'm unsure if this is the best method as it might simply create more of a have/have not situation. Those crazies will just churn out media anyway.

I was going to make a note on media because I know there would be people who would just produce meaningless stuff to get the $$$. I wanted other people's opinion on that, especially graders. There'd have to be an element of quality control I'd imagine

[tbone415]

100% for this.

[AdamS]

@timeconsumer

Do your thing

[speculadora]

This just feels like something that will further separate those who have a ton of time to invest into media/graphics/league jobs from those who can't, which I'm not entirely for being that the point of this league is fun and the gap is probably discouraging to new users. I'd much rather just have mandatory minimum contracts based on TPE because a lot of the players who skimp out on contracts do so because their league job makes up for the small contract so it's a win-win for them. If we had minimum TPE based contracts then I think we'd also need a soft cap and a hard cap so really good teams can sell out for a short window at a dynasty or have to budget really strategically to maintain success.

[timeconsumer]

@timeconsumer

Do your thing

I feel like I've beat this horse to death enough, and I have plenty of writings on the subject. I'm all for creating incentive and diminishing returns for more expensive stuff but we also can't increase the amount of TPE available to earn in a season or we screw with regression. So if we do such a thing we rather need to reprice the current pro equipment to ne more expensive and perhaps add in a middle tier. Also we have been moving in a bit of the opposite of this with things like twitter payments, so that complicates things.

[speculadora]

This just feels like something that will further separate those who have a ton of time to invest into media/graphics/league jobs from those who can't, which I'm not entirely for being that the point of this league is fun and the gap is probably discouraging to new users. I'd much rather just have mandatory minimum contracts based on TPE because a lot of the players who skimp out on contracts do so because their league job makes up for the small contract so it's a win-win for them. If we had minimum TPE based contracts then I think we'd also need a soft cap and a hard cap so really good teams can sell out for a short window at a dynasty or have to budget really strategically to maintain success.

I just realized I completely missed the point of this. I thought the original idea resulted from the fact that certain players take small contracts and that adding a higher tier of equipment would incentivize them not to. And actually if you just had TPE based contract minimums then money would become pretty worthless so in that case I'd be more for making the current items more expensive, per what TC described

[dropbear]

I just realized I completely missed the point of this. I thought the original idea resulted from the fact that certain players take small contracts and that adding a higher tier of equipment would incentivize them not to. And actually if you just had TPE based contract minimums then money would become pretty worthless so in that case I'd be more for making the current items more expensive, per what TC described

No you're right, I'm suggesting it as a way to combat lowballed contracts by elite players who don't need the money.

It also acts as an actual free agency lure, where signing with a bad team with cap room means you get an immediate TPE boost, as opposed to grinding for TPE but being on a winning team

[adam2552]

Having a more expensive weekly training option could help with this too. $500k for 3 TPE, $1m for 5 TPE, $3m for 8 TPE or something. Then that’s 3 more TPE per week, so roughly 15-18 more TPE per season for top earners. But it would also cost them $10-$12m more per season.