* What Really Should Have Happened in Arizona

kckolbe · 12-22-2018, 05:29 PM

(12-22-2018, 04:09 PM)manicmav36 Wrote:Trust me, being a tester is absolutely maddening. We've lost games before where we were 13+ point favorites. We've had seasons where we won an average of 10 games in 20+ sims and finished with only 7. Blaming the randomness of the sim as maliciouness of others (with no hard evidence) is just bad form. Sometimes the sim just does whatever the hell it wants.

Yeah, ngl, that TD post didn't have the desired effect, even though I said in discord immediately after publishing I didn't actually think there was cheating and explained what I was trying to demonstrate. I just wanted to show how having an HO that couldn't be trusted taints everything, how quickly benefit of the doubt erodes. The fact that it was taken as a legit accusation against TC (who saw the discord post, btw, well before replying) bodes poorly.

~~mckee29~~ · 12-22-2018, 05:29 PM

gosh

infinitempg · 12-22-2018, 06:08 PM

(12-22-2018, 05:09 PM)manicmav36 Wrote:We've lost games before where we were 13+ point favorites.

**manicmav36** · 12-23-2018, 09:27 AM

(12-22-2018, 06:29 PM)kckolbe Wrote:Yeah, ngl, that TD post didn't have the desired effect, even though I said in discord immediately after publishing I didn't actually think there was cheating and explained what I was trying to demonstrate. I just wanted to show how having an HO that couldn't be trusted taints everything, how quickly benefit of the doubt erodes. The fact that it was taken as a legit accusation against TC (who saw the discord post, btw, well before replying) bodes poorly.

I imagine that the majority of the people who saw your post didn't immediately go on discord and see your explanation. I certainly didn't see it. It's a dangerous thought to plant in people's minds, and the doubt it can cause can be very detrimental to the league. There's no faster way to lose users than by claiming the people in charge are fixing games, whether in jest (which certainly didn't seem like the case) or not.

kckolbe · 12-23-2018, 12:58 PM

(12-23-2018, 08:27 AM)manicmav36 Wrote:I imagine that the majority of the people who saw your post didn't immediately go on discord and see your explanation. I certainly didn't see it. It's a dangerous thought to plant in people's minds, and the doubt it can cause can be very detrimental to the league. There's no faster way to lose users than by claiming the people in charge are fixing games, whether in jest (which certainly didn't seem like the case) or not.

Well, I agree, but that was part of the logic. I want people to realize how dangerous it is to have an untrustworthy HO. I've seen this league drive people away in waves, and it was largely due to the kind of scandals and drama we've seen lately. The fact that we know a member of HO (@`To12143`) will lie and abuse his position for the sake of a personal vendetta is highly disturbing. The fact that he can do it without being punished even more so. My thread, while not a serious accusation, was far from "in jest."

PaytonM34 · 12-23-2018, 02:13 PM

I think it's time for me to invest in the pitchfork business

SwagSloth · 12-23-2018, 02:27 PM

(12-23-2018, 02:13 PM)PaytonM34 Wrote:I think it's time for me to invest in the pitchfork business

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Oles · 12-23-2018, 02:40 PM

(12-23-2018, 01:58 PM)kckolbe Wrote:Well, I agree, but that was part of the logic. I want people to realize how dangerous it is to have an untrustworthy HO. I've seen this league drive people away in waves, and it was largely due to the kind of scandals and drama we've seen lately. The fact that we know a member of HO (@`To12143`) will lie and abuse his position for the sake of a personal vendetta is highly disturbing. The fact that he can do it without being punished even more so. My thread, while not a serious accusation, was far from "in jest."

Look, I really have to ask, how have I abused power? It's not like I can just strong-arm my beliefs into a punishment conversation so that you're punished more unjustly than others. Remember how you were saying everything you say is true and not ruining my character at all, well uh, claiming abuse of power with completely unfounded claims is defamation of character, not only my character but HO's character as a whole. Misspeaking does not mean lying, and considering that I have issues at times speaking which I had to go to classes for for several years to correct (and still not fully) it's pretty offensive that you'd say I'm lying because of saying something that came out wrong, it's an issue I deal with still and while I can keep it under control at times it still surfaces, and it happens more so when I'm frustrated.

BWIII · 12-23-2018, 02:56 PM

(12-22-2018, 03:01 PM)kckolbe Wrote:It was never unreasonable to lose any game but PHI. The overall 4 week stretch is the unreasonable result.

Disagree that too should have happened as it did. Good stuff and I applaud the efforts taken to make it so.

DeathOnReddit · 12-23-2018, 03:03 PM

(12-23-2018, 03:56 PM)BWIII Wrote:Disagree that too should have happened as it did. Good stuff and I applaud the efforts taken to make it so.

I DONT KNOW ABOUT THIS ONE CHIEF