Myrtle Beach Misconduct Revisited

[caltroit_red_flames]

Imagine feeling the need to bend the rules to win in the DSFL level and getting pissed when you're caught

Nobody is upset about the tampering punishment. I'm pissed off at the quote HO decided to headline the punishment with the drags their reputation through the mud.

[Vorshayla]

Imagine feeling the need to bend the rules to win in the DSFL level and getting pissed when you're caught

Imagine being so bitter that you need an excuse, any excuse to complain about losing the championship and then hanging on to that thread for any sense of relevancy so people remember who you are.

fixed.

[Jay_Doctor]

As someone who has been on MB and has openly spoken up against MB I feel this is not fair to them. Now I have not been in their War Room or any war room for that matter but I feel this kind of behavior probably happens all the time on other teams too. Now I am not condoning this behavior but it feels like HO has a grudge against MB and that’s the reason why they were punished. I have no basis for this claim and is just my opinion as a neutral party which I feel other neutral parties may agree with also.

I'm in two war rooms and can tell you that it has not come up in either fwiw

[caltroit_red_flames]

Was the inflammatory quote from slm particularly necessary to air out?

No.

[NamelessNate]

I call for a movement that every war room chat be fully disclosed since 1/1/2020. If all y'all have nothing to hide, let's see it! Who says no? Probably means you're guilty btw.

[RainDelay]

I can’t believe you didn’t add on the highest tpe dL of the bunch

Actually my bad, I completely skipped over your name.

[Rindiee]

Imagine feeling the need to bend the rules to win in the DSFL level and getting pissed when you're caught

who are you?

[Buttersqauch101]

Actually my bad, I completely skipped over your name.

You’ve gone too far. HO punish MB a third time

[MrStennett]

I call for a movement that every war room chat be fully disclosed since 1/1/2020. If all y'all have nothing to hide, let's see it! Who says no? Probably means you're guilty btw.

Oh shit. I’ll be back. Gotta delete some totally not war room messages.... :eyes:

[Memento Mori]

I don't really have anything to say about the additional punishments. There are a lot of people on the appeals committee and if they all felt that way then clearly there were things that needed to be addressed. I try in general to not comment on punishments because I typically think both parties involved do a good job. With that said.

To see Jeff's punishment upheld, however, is really disappointing. I saw the entire conversation between Jeff and Gabe (gwdjohnson) that preceded the screenshot Jeff showed me from their war room. At no point in that conversation did Jeff either suggest that Gabe should retire so that Norfolk could not have his old player, nor did he suggest that he should recreate so that Myrtle Beach could have his new player. In the latter instance, it was actually Gabe who brought up playing for MB. Secondly, there's no evidence that Gabe was actually contacted for his side of the story. I hope and believe HO tried to, but from what Jeff showed me, Gabe was never actually reached. To make the punishment as if he had no agency in that decision sucks, but they worked with what they had. To not overturn the punishment knowing that just sucks.

Additionally, Jeff actually apologized in the thread mentioned by slm in the original post, reached out to at least one other DSFL GM to apologize and try to squash any beef, and removed members of the war room who contributed to the culture being discussed here, on top of working toward other changes that the appeals committee was informed of.

To see a two season GM ban upheld with the information he provided and efforts he's made to correct the very thing the appeals committee seemed most upset about is just plain irritating.

(With all of that said, these are only details as I discussed them with Jeff so if I am off base on anything here please let me know)

Going to second this and add some of my own thoughts from speaking with Jeff.

I did a bunch of sim testing for Myrtle Beach this past season and offered to help out with scouting the new rookie class so I was added to the Myrtle Beach war room a couple of days before Jeff was removed as co-GM.

I was really disappointed when I saw the war room screenshots. Because I love Jeff, Cory, Frost and Rain and they don't make them look good at all. And I've told them so. Many of the screenshots were deliberately out of context to obscure the fact that the four of them were joking (sometimes in bad taste), but there's other screenshots that I'm not interested in trying to defend, because I don't want to. They reflect badly on the four of them.

I don't really have a problem with Cory, Frost and Rain losing their GM pay or being warned. But I do have a problem with Jeff's punishment. I'm aware that this thread isn't about Jeff, but I feel like it's relevant to the discussion about the culture in Myrtle Beach.

All four of them did, but Jeff in particular encouraged the entire locker room not to respond in any kind of hostile way to any of this. He sincerely took on board the criticism from HO and other parties. As others have mentioned, Jeff has done a lot for the league, not just Myrtle Beach.

And that's the part about this that I find the most disappointing. If HO really wanted the culture in Myrtle Beach to change for the better, I can think of no user who would do a better job than Jeff.