Bullying/Harassment

[iamslm22]

I'm reporting Bayley for harassment. That was mean

[7hawk77]

I don't want to necro this thread, but I read plenty of the reports and they we're all Archon referencing the hawks success was based on Carmel Gibson.

First off, there was definitely some kind of truth to this given the close games they won on the back of Gibson plays. However, it wasn't the Hawks' fault this happened.

Anyways, if you looked at what was said in the reports, none of it was a personal attack. It was always attacking the team for benefiting from it. These reports we're not worthy of any direct action. I understand that maybe hawks' players felt like their accomplishment was diminished, but unfortunately, it kind of was. Next season the Hawks did well and showed that it didn't matter about having Gibson or not which I think is the best way to retort to the haters.

However, reporting a player for saying your team cheats, when in fact they benefited from outside influence, and then turning around to personally attack a single player using names is really hypocritical.

I also think Daybe makes a pretty decent point that GM's could get offended if you attack their team, however I feel like attacking other teams is going to be prevalent in any league with different teams.

Personally, now that I know that Daybe feels this way, I won't be trash talking the Yeti anymore.

Anyways, I think Timeconsumer said it best with "don't be a dick". If someone is taking it too far, just let them know: "hey, stop being a dick."
Then if they don't then maybe report or come get the HO.

I'd also like to note that sometimes interactions on threads happen and we don't see it. We can't play parent or police for the entire forum at all times. Sometimes threads pop up and none of the HO see what's taking place in it. When the bullying was first brought up in the HO discussion, I had no idea what they we're talking about because I hadn't seen that thread.

[RavensFanFromOntario]

I'd like it to be known I'm okay with being shit on for my GMing.

[iamslm22]

I don't want to necro this thread, but I read plenty of the reports and they we're all Archon referencing the hawks success was based on Carmel Gibson.

First off, there was definitely some kind of truth to this given the close games they won on the back of Gibson plays. However, it wasn't the Hawks' fault this happened.

Anyways, if you looked at what was said in the reports, none of it was a personal attack. It was always attacking the team for benefiting from it. These reports we're not worthy of any direct action. I understand that maybe hawks' players felt like their accomplishment was diminished, but unfortunately, it kind of was. Next season the Hawks did well and showed that it didn't matter about having Gibson or not which I think is the best way to retort to the haters.

However, reporting a player for saying your team cheats, when in fact they benefited from outside influence, and then turning around to personally attack a single player using names is really hypocritical.

Saying it's hypocritical to call Archon a douchce or an ass is asinine. If you feel that way about the reports that great! It would've been awesome to hear that two seasons ago! I mean don't act like we're wrong when y'all were ignoring it. He drove people away from the site. That's a fact. HO did nothing about it, and never said anything about our reports. I don't understand how it's so hard for members of the HO to admit a mistake. You said being in the HO isn't fun, I get it. There's no need to be a martyr. But I don't think a lot of us are asking too much.

[timeconsumer]

Anyways, I think Timeconsumer said it best with "don't be a dick". If someone is taking it too far, just let them know: "hey, stop being a dick."
Then if they don't then maybe report or come get the HO.

VI. Other

Don't Be a Dick Rule:

-If you think someone is being a dick, tell them "Don't be a dick, dude." (dude is optional)
-If someone calls you out for being a dick, stop being a dick. If you don't think you're being a dick, tell them you're not being a dick. If more people then tell you to stop being a dick, check your shit, because you're probably being a dick. Shut up, apologize, and move on. (Apology is optional, but skipping it only reduces you from Dick status to Prick status).
-If you tell someone to stop being a dick, and they continue to be a dick, try ignoring them. If they will not stop being a dick and it's too hard to ignore them, PM a HO member. Try not to resort to being a dick back to them, this usually results in a downward dick spiral, and those aren't fun for anybody.
-If you find you cannot interact with certain people without being a dick, don't interact with those people.
-If you feel someone is in full perma-dick status, try and build consensus of your peers (bonus points if they are on different teams) about how you do not like said dick member. Politely bring issue of perma-dickness to HO with consensus from peers to be resolved in a manner that is hopefully both timely and fair.

[4D Chess]

We're still arguing over the Carmel Gibson fallout?


Hhmph.

[7hawk77]

Saying it's hypocritical to call Archon a douchce or an ass is asinine. If you feel that way about the reports that great! It would've been awesome to hear that two seasons ago! I mean don't act like we're wrong when y'all were ignoring it. He drove people away from the site. That's a fact. HO did nothing about it, and never said anything about our reports. I don't understand how it's so hard for members of the HO to admit a mistake. You said being in the HO isn't fun, I get it. There's no need to be a martyr. But I don't think a lot of us are asking too much.

It is hypocritical, you shouldn't attack or single out a person.

Archon stated multiple times that he gets his enjoyment by stirring up drama.

Should the head office start punishing people for saying Er rigs the sim? Absolutely not. Context matters. It's kind of a fun joke that we can throw unwarranted blame at Er instead of just admitting that the sim does weird stuff. Obviously Er isn't rigging the sim and it's a fun running joke.
Archon giving the hawks shit for "cheating" was how he wanted to stir up drama. Your team could have easily rolled with the punches like Er does, or maybe tried to PM the head office saying "hey i'm getting really tired of this guy putting our team down and diminishing the accomplishments my team made".

Instead you reported his posts with like short reasons like "Obvious troll".

I think you need to understand that calling a specific person a douche, or an ass or "a fucking clown" and other stuff like that reflects poorly on you.

There is a huge difference saying something like "The Otters are going to dumpster the wraiths" vs: "You are an idiot". One spurs rivalry between teams and adds drama and story to the games and match ups. The other is a personal attack where the goal is just to tear the other person down.

I still think that HO handled your reports correctly. I honestly don't even remember if I was head office at the time or if I just had the correct permissions to see the reports from being CO-GM or media grader or something.

The only change that I think the HO could have done better is explain why your reports weren't valid.

[7hawk77]

VI. Other

Don't Be a Dick Rule:

-If you think someone is being a dick, tell them "Don't be a dick, dude." (dude is optional)
-If someone calls you out for being a dick, stop being a dick. If you don't think you're being a dick, tell them you're not being a dick. If more people then tell you to stop being a dick, check your shit, because you're probably being a dick. Shut up, apologize, and move on. (Apology is optional, but skipping it only reduces you from Dick status to Prick status).
-If you tell someone to stop being a dick, and they continue to be a dick, try ignoring them. If they will not stop being a dick and it's too hard to ignore them, PM a HO member. Try not to resort to being a dick back to them, this usually results in a downward dick spiral, and those aren't fun for anybody.
-If you find you cannot interact with certain people without being a dick, don't interact with those people.
-If you feel someone is in full perma-dick status, try and build consensus of your peers (bonus points if they are on different teams) about how you do not like said dick member. Politely bring issue of perma-dickness to HO with consensus from peers to be resolved in a manner that is hopefully both timely and fair.

I love this

[Sweetwater]

It would've been awesome to hear that two seasons ago! I mean don't act like we're wrong when y'all were ignoring it. He drove people away from the site. That's a fact. HO did nothing about it, and never said anything about our reports. I don't understand how it's so hard for members of the HO to admit a mistake.

In case you forgot, the majority of the HO today is different from those that were in the HO of 2 seasons ago. Getting mad at Hawk for something he literally could do nothing about feels wrong. It's hard for HO members to take the fall for stuff they literally had no control over. There seems to be a disconnect where the HO members all recognize that we're individuals who have or have not been around for certain decisions in the past, but the majority of members seem to view us as this single, unchanging, monolithic entity, and treat us as such.

[Jiggly_333]

VI. Other

Don't Be a Dick Rule:

-If you think someone is being a dick, tell them "Don't be a dick, dude." (dude is optional)
-If someone calls you out for being a dick, stop being a dick. If you don't think you're being a dick, tell them you're not being a dick. If more people then tell you to stop being a dick, check your shit, because you're probably being a dick. Shut up, apologize, and move on. (Apology is optional, but skipping it only reduces you from Dick status to Prick status).
-If you tell someone to stop being a dick, and they continue to be a dick, try ignoring them. If they will not stop being a dick and it's too hard to ignore them, PM a HO member. Try not to resort to being a dick back to them, this usually results in a downward dick spiral, and those aren't fun for anybody.
-If you find you cannot interact with certain people without being a dick, don't interact with those people.
-If you feel someone is in full perma-dick status, try and build consensus of your peers (bonus points if they are on different teams) about how you do not like said dick member. Politely bring issue of perma-dickness to HO with consensus from peers to be resolved in a manner that is hopefully both timely and fair.

This gets my seal of approval.