*Jayce Tuck and the offensive lines

[7hawk77]

I would argue they got the OL price/TPE right. Instead what we're seeing now is how the strength of DL over the course of several nerfs was really based around balancing them against 50 TPE opponents. Perhaps it's time to bring DL back up to where we started.

This was my line of thought as well.

[ErMurazor]

+1 on this

It's very good that DL performance has been brought down to Earth, but I'm thinking their stats will only go down even more when some teams start using the higher tier bots

DL aren't really going to get better at this point. If we go forward with another tier of OL bots stats are going to take a huge drop.

[TheWoZy]

DL aren't really going to get better at this point. If we go forward with another tier of OL bots stats are going to take a huge drop.

I agree. :old:

[7hawk77]

DL aren't really going to get better at this point. If we go forward with another tier of OL bots stats are going to take a huge drop.

Yeah for sure. So basically there are two schools of thought.

Limit the upside for the OL where they basically get capped where they currently are (since they are fending off the DL now that we've reached our meaningful stat caps).

Or we can allow the next tier of OL and GM's budget accordingly so they can get better tier bots, but in the process also buff defensive lineman to perform a bit better. The end result would be more varied teams and OL. This would cause DL against teams with the current bot set up to perform better, and then perform worse against teams that used their budget for more expensive OL.


Currently I favor the second one and any buffs aren't going to be outrageous or game breaking. But I think that it opens up more meaningful decision for the GM's and players.
All of the previous DL nerfs had to do with OL being garbage, and now that it isn't we can probably fix and revert some of those nerfs.

Either way this is definitely something that I have on my mind as well as other positions.

So far we are definitely going to look in to CB/QB and DL. If anyone has well thought out balance suggestions, please feel free to post in suggestion area or PM me.

[TheWoZy]

Yeah for sure. So basically there are two schools of thought.

Limit the upside for the OL where they basically get capped where they currently are (since they are fending off the DL now that we've reached our meaningful stat caps).

Or we can allow the next tier of OL and GM's budget accordingly so they can get better tier bots, but in the process also buff defensive lineman to perform a bit better. The end result would be more varied teams and OL. This would cause DL against teams with the current bot set up to perform better, and then perform worse against teams that used their budget for more expensive OL.


Currently I favor the second one and any buffs aren't going to be outrageous or game breaking. But I think that it opens up more meaningful decision for the GM's and players.
All of the previous DL nerfs had to do with OL being garbage, and now that it isn't we can probably fix and revert some of those nerfs.

Either way this is definitely something that I have on my mind as well as other positions.

So far we are definitely going to look in to CB/QB and DL. If anyone has well thought out balance suggestions, please feel free to post in suggestion area or PM me.

I think LB are too good.

[7hawk77]

I think LB are too good.

With weaker DL and stronger OL, this basically opens up for LBs to get more plays that DL was making before.

[ItsJustBarry]

If EVERY TEAM only buys the MOST EXPENSIVE version, then clearly the price was too low.  Your other point is valid, though.

Every team bought the best available because they all have bags of excess money just sitting around. If you fix the vet minimum contracts, teams would have less free money and actual strategic financial decisions would need to be made.

[timeconsumer]

Every team bought the best available because they all have bags of excess money just sitting around.  If you fix the vet minimum contracts, teams would have less free money and actual strategic financial decisions would need to be made.

They intentionally raised the cap enough so every team could buy the tier 2s. Tier 2 is meant to be a baseline OL for the league. The whole idea behind bot OL was to actually start fielding good offensive lines. If someone wants to spend more on crazy good FAs and buy a bunch of crappy bots they can do that too. Or if they want to buy the super expensive OL next season at $7m a pop that's also an option, but you'll have no money for anything else.

[ItsJustBarry]

They intentionally raised the cap enough so every team could buy the tier 2s. Tier 2 is meant to be a baseline OL for the league. The whole idea behind bot OL was to actually start fielding good offensive lines. If someone wants to spend more on crazy good FAs and buy a bunch of crappy bots they can do that too. Or if they want to buy the super expensive OL next season at $7m a pop that's also an option, but you'll have no money for anything else.

I still think that contracts need to be re-evaluated. As I inch towards 600 TPE next season, my contract is going to get significantly cheaper. Why is that even possible?

[7hawk77]

TC nailed it.

That was the design and the intention. Allow GM's to use budget strategically.