LB3737 Tampering Punishment

[Memento Mori]

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[furiousPanda]

Lmfao get fucked @LB3737

Why thank you Zamir

The legend himself

[AdamS]

We have quite a few people who care very deeply about this issue after the fact. 

I would like to cordially remind those people that it would be much more helpful to write and submit proposals that help the situation.

[MisObvious]

We have quite a few people who care very deeply about this issue after the fact. 

I would like to cordially remind those people that it would be much more helpful to write and submit proposals that help the situation.

because holier-than-thou posts like these also help for sure

[excelsior]

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Tu-lips.

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Well armed.

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A slipper.

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Because it got stuck in a crack.

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Ears.

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A buccaneer.

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Close the door, I’m dressing.

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A nervous wreck.

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Cancel its credit card.

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The trom-bone.

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Tinselitus.

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Sign language.

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A loose Canon.

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Frostbite.

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I can’t wait for his face to light up when he opens it.

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Because the sea weed.

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He knew a short cut.

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A carrot.

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When it’s ajar.

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Because it’s all ears.

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A meow-ntain.

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In case he got a hole in one.

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To get to the other slide.

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Dinner’s on me.

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Give me my quarterback.

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Because he’s always lion.

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When it turns into a street.

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With a cow-culator.

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She’s going to have her baby in the spring.

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A stick.

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He had wax in his ears.

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He’s got little legs.

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Push him down a mountain.

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You’re looking sharp.

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Nothing. They fast.

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Whatever it wants to.

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He takes things personally.

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Because their horns don’t work.

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Hide the spade.

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To improve his rapping skills.

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Poke him in the eyes.

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They slug it out.

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1080pee.

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A cat-astrophe.

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[AdamS]

We have quite a few people who care very deeply about this issue after the fact. 

I would like to cordially remind those people that it would be much more helpful to write and submit proposals that help the situation.

because holier-than-thou posts like these also help for sure

If you could have claimed I was wrong you'd have said that instead of this.

[jdourtled]

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[Pat]

We have quite a few people who care very deeply about this issue after the fact. 

I would like to cordially remind those people that it would be much more helpful to write and submit proposals that help the situation.

Genuine question here: what sort of proposals would even help this situation? At the end of the day, tampering is inherently flawed and enforced unevenly because you need proof (and in LB's case someone to report you). HO did what they had to under the rules and based on precedent. If someone didn't report LB for it then I highly doubt HO would have even looked into it because, let's be real here, the dude made a forum post about a fellow DSFL player that he played with, it's not like he was saying, "yo dude that team sucks you should threaten to retire if they don't trade you."

[Memento Mori]

We have quite a few people who care very deeply about this issue after the fact. 

I would like to cordially remind those people that it would be much more helpful to write and submit proposals that help the situation.

Genuine question here: what sort of proposals would even help this situation? At the end of the day, tampering is inherently flawed and enforced unevenly because you need proof (and in LB's case someone to report you). HO did what they had to under the rules and based on precedent. If someone didn't report LB for it then I highly doubt HO would have even looked into it because, let's be real here, the dude made a forum post about a fellow DSFL player that he played with, it's not like he was saying, "yo dude that team sucks you should threaten to retire if they don't trade you."

It would be making a rule proposal to change the tampering rules. Which we all know is never going to pass, because it's GMs and HO who vote on rule proposals. The current tampering rules make GMing easier because you don't need to worry as much about your player itching for a move because they've been speaking to their friend on another team about the idea of them joining their friend's team. Alternatively, you could propose to change the tampering punishment rules (IV. B. 1), which read: "Punishment will be handled on a case-by-case basis, but may include a fine, loss of draft picks, or loss of GM position.", but then you'd have to convince HO to vote to reduce its ability to decide what punishment would be most suitable. 

And if you're not a GM, you've even less power to try and change things because you have to convince your GM to make such a proposal before it even reaches that stage. 

I don't think ordinary users have much option other than to complain about rulings in punishment threads or write media posts about it, so it always bothers me when people complain about other people complaining/asking questions in punishment threads. 

Minor additional point, IV. A. 3 states: "Tampering accusations may only be reported by the player who had been tampered with or his current GM or Co-GM with the exception of a flagrant public occurrence, in which case accusations may be levied by the HO." so tampering that occurs in gen chat or on the forums can be investigated and punished if no one reports it - so even if the other player and their GMs are nonplussed about it you could still get punished.

[Pat]

It would be making a rule proposal to change the tampering rules. Which we all know is never going to pass, because it's GMs and HO who vote on rule proposals. 

Yeah that's what I was alluding to. It's fine to say, "make a change proposal" but I have a sneaking suspicion the league has gone down that road before and it's never been changed.