*Grading the first round draft picks

[kckolbe]

Do the Otters draft ANYONE without them pulling some shit to lower their stock? Between Clegane and Sims and now this, they are getting insane value from OBVIOUS ploys to lower draft stock and turn other teams off. At what point do they start losing draft picks?

[timeconsumer]

Do the Otters draft ANYONE without them pulling some shit to lower their stock?  Between Clegane and Sims and now this, they are getting insane value from OBVIOUS ploys to lower draft stock and turn other teams off.  At what point do they start losing draft picks?

I'll give you Clegane.

Sims was a 67 TPE 5th round pick at a position that only 3 teams needed when there were 5 available in the draft. How is he even in this same conversation?

Boom didn't play for the Otters. He had no reason to want to play for us. He sent me the exact same message as everyone else.



And this:



And maybe some Staff Discord discussion for our round 2 selection??



And on on and through round 3 and 4 as we wrestled with take Boom now or let him continue to drop.


Sooooo yeah. You're dumb.

[BOOM™]

I'm sorry that this has backfired but the Otters played no part in the drop to the later rounds. In fact, they had assumed I was bullshitting to let the Hawks select me. Accusing them in this instance is completely wrong.

[tlk742]

I'm going to ceontend that Blewitt is a kicker and punter, which helps with not only the FGs but also field position.

[kckolbe]

I'm sorry that this has backfired but the Otters played no part in the drop to the later rounds. In fact, they had assumed I was bullshitting to let the Hawks select me. Accusing them in this instance is completely wrong.

Accusing a team that has benefited in the past from draft-tanking ploys is not completely wrong, especially when they were also suspected of tampering with a contracted player (Bowers). I'll admit that Sims was not a high profile or even high value player, but he was a position of need.

You guys got Burnsman, a great value at RB, and he would have been available to us one round later had he said anything.

@timeconsumer Okay, I believe you. I don't think you are lying here and that you genuinely just took the chance. However, this was not "dumb," as there has just been too much smoke when it comes to the Otters player acquisitions.

[timeconsumer]

Accusing a team that has benefited in the past from draft-tanking ploys is not completely wrong, especially when they were also suspected of tampering with a contracted player (Bowers).  I'll admit that Sims was not a high profile or even high value player, but he was a position of need. 

You guys got Burnsman, a great value at RB, and he would have been available to us one round later had he said anything. 

@timeconsumer Okay, I believe you.  I don't think you are lying here and that you genuinely just took the chance.  However, this was not "dumb," as there has just been too much smoke when it comes to the Otters player acquisitions.

The only smoke here is from whatever the hell you're high on right now. Try scouting, building a draft board, and being a part of a war room to understand what all goes into it sometime. For now you're just some dude on the sidelines whining and crying.

[kckolbe]

The only smoke here is from whatever the hell you're high on right now. Try scouting, building a draft board, and being a part of a war room to understand what all goes into it sometime. For now you're just some dude on the sidelines whining and crying.

Oh, no smoke?

http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=2268

There's your signing of Bowers. Look at the cries of joy around the league and complete lack of suspicion there. I'd post Clegane, but you already admitted that one was valid. Hell, you didn't deny it with Sims, either, just said he wasn't that important.

I can see why all these players want to play for you. No one else works harder to go nowhere. Maybe if your players and GMs put more effort into actually improving and less into ethically questionable acquisitions, you'd have a chance at the Ultimus. Instead your team is nothing but a welcome mat for the Outlaws to wipe their feet on before their next championship game.

Also, I did scout and build a draft board. I was part of this process for the Wraiths, and am also doing it for the DSFL, because, unlike you, I'm actually a GM. Speaking of which, congratulations on not being selected. You almost had to take responsibility for something.

[Molarpistols]

Oh, no smoke?

http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=2268

There's your signing of Bowers.  Look at the cries of joy around the league and complete lack of suspicion there.  I'd post Clegane, but you already admitted that one was valid.  Hell, you didn't deny it with Sims, either, just said he wasn't that important.

I can see why all these players want to play for you.  No one else works harder to go nowhere.  Maybe if your players and GMs put more effort into actually improving and less into ethically questionable acquisitions, you'd have a chance at the Ultimus.  Instead your team is nothing but a welcome mat for the Outlaws to wipe their feet on before their next championship game.

Also, I did scout and build a draft board.  I was part of this process for the Wraiths, and am also doing it for the DSFL, because, unlike you, I'm actually a GM.  Speaking of which, congratulations on not being selected.  You almost had to take responsibility for something.

Bro, everybody has been a welcome mat to the Outlaws, but good looking out.

We have never once told any of our players to post media articles about holding out for us or anything else to hurt their draft stock. If you go to Sims' article you'll see a post in there where I stated exactly that. We don't tell our players to hold out, but we can say we're a little proud the Otter experience is so good they feel the wish to do so.

Should we just refuse to pick people because they've publicly lowered their draft stock? Would that be sufficiently 'ethical', even if we never told them to lower their draft stock?

[kckolbe]

Should we just refuse to pick people because they've publicly lowered their draft stock? Would that be sufficiently 'ethical', even if we never told them to lower their draft stock?

I would like to see more teams do that, to be honest. The Wraiths have had the #1 prospect (in TPE) two years in a row, and if we had been even ambivalent toward that behavior, that could have been damaging. Hell, Boggs posted one thing suggesting he wouldn't. Did you see how long it took for him to retract it? Under a day.

[ErMurazor]