This is a bit self-important to say, but I think everyone should read this.
A few things. Some for posterity, some clarification, some...other.
1) I have not seen the masses calling for a HARSHER LVL punishment. Quite the opposite. For what it's worth, I've stated elsewhere that leniency should be granted giving how disorganized everything in the DSFL was, especially given that calling up a DSFL player was the major cap-breaker.
2) The original discussion for the bet between RFFO and I took place in NSFL general chat in discord, and I was the one who proposed the bet, with RFFO doing nothing more than instantly agreeing to it. It clearly WAS tampering, and I was the FIRST person to say so. However, as it was "mutual" tampering, with both teams involved standing to lose/gain from it, I thought it legal. After all, giving money to another player is illegal, but monetary bets are not. I felt this was the same exception. The only way a monetary bet is illegal is if the outcome of the bet is considered a given, and I think it is safe to say that there was a chance of Vegas losing this bet.
3) It is true that I am not facing punishment, which might be the only part of the ruling people AREN'T mad about.
4) This isn't directly about the ruling, but...as a kindness, could people stop talking about me "getting out of my obligation?" If you talk to the Legion players, they will tell you that I was 100% ready to follow-through, and not just serve out a sentence, but actually be part of the team. Additionally, if you look at my presser, I'm actively trying to find a way to make this right.
5) Let's look at a couple of things @7hawk77 said in this thread. I am going to bold part of it for emphasis.
So, per this ruling, a player may make an agreement with another team outside the forums and see it out? So, basically, you personally stated that this activity IS allowed on this site while also stating you are sending a message not to do it?
Additionally, does anyone else feel the HO is simply deflecting this onto me? By Hawk's own words, I can do WHATEVER I WANT regarding this situation, even specifically listing things that would normally be considered unethical.
Here's the thing, though. You're not happy with it. 1) you aren't happy with it because, by the quotes above, you are still clearly conflicted about the implications. 2) You aren't happy with it because WE, as a community, are not happy with it. And not jut some random people, either. Er, the fucking lifeblood of this league, is not happy. I, the party who SHOULD be happiest about it, am not happy. The GMs of multiple teams, who should be happy to see an opponent weakened, are not happy.
A season ago, that might not have meant anything. But something has changed since then. You now get paid by the league to resolve issues. And this has not been a successful resolution. I think you know that, too, which I realized after it occurred to me that I was being...empowered to make my own decision.
For the record, I know that you did not make this decision on your own. Hell, I know you were kind of pressured to make this announcement because it didn't seem appropriate for a member of the Wraiths to make the announcement saying that the Wraiths weren't going to lose a player, though that decision appeared to have been made a couple of days prior to the announcement. It just took this long due to lack of availability on the rest of the HO, which is a problem.
However, being Head Office doesn't just mean making rulings. Listening is part of the job, and with good reason. While it would be dangerous to give in to mob mentality and blindly follow the loudest voices, making ALL decisions in a vacuum is equally irresponsible.
I urge everyone to check out my presser here. In it, I talk about MY perception of the bet, and the implications of the salary cap violations and resulting punishment. I mentioned a possible solution idea, but welcome feedback on the appropriate values or even other means of resolution. I ask that you read my rationale first. You'll see that I very much want to do right by BOTH teams involved and ask you to keep that goal in mind as you make suggestions.
A few things. Some for posterity, some clarification, some...other.
1) I have not seen the masses calling for a HARSHER LVL punishment. Quite the opposite. For what it's worth, I've stated elsewhere that leniency should be granted giving how disorganized everything in the DSFL was, especially given that calling up a DSFL player was the major cap-breaker.
2) The original discussion for the bet between RFFO and I took place in NSFL general chat in discord, and I was the one who proposed the bet, with RFFO doing nothing more than instantly agreeing to it. It clearly WAS tampering, and I was the FIRST person to say so. However, as it was "mutual" tampering, with both teams involved standing to lose/gain from it, I thought it legal. After all, giving money to another player is illegal, but monetary bets are not. I felt this was the same exception. The only way a monetary bet is illegal is if the outcome of the bet is considered a given, and I think it is safe to say that there was a chance of Vegas losing this bet.
3) It is true that I am not facing punishment, which might be the only part of the ruling people AREN'T mad about.
4) This isn't directly about the ruling, but...as a kindness, could people stop talking about me "getting out of my obligation?" If you talk to the Legion players, they will tell you that I was 100% ready to follow-through, and not just serve out a sentence, but actually be part of the team. Additionally, if you look at my presser, I'm actively trying to find a way to make this right.
5) Let's look at a couple of things @7hawk77 said in this thread. I am going to bold part of it for emphasis.
Quote:He still has every right to hit FA or do whatever he wants. If he felt the need to honor the deal, he could easily holdout or request a trade or do whatever he wants. That's on him on we wanted to give him that option.
However, the head office felt it very necessary to show that these types of bets are not encouraged and will not be tolerated in the future.
So, per this ruling, a player may make an agreement with another team outside the forums and see it out? So, basically, you personally stated that this activity IS allowed on this site while also stating you are sending a message not to do it?
Additionally, does anyone else feel the HO is simply deflecting this onto me? By Hawk's own words, I can do WHATEVER I WANT regarding this situation, even specifically listing things that would normally be considered unethical.
Quote:I'm not going to debate the ruling because we are happy with it and it's not changing.
Here's the thing, though. You're not happy with it. 1) you aren't happy with it because, by the quotes above, you are still clearly conflicted about the implications. 2) You aren't happy with it because WE, as a community, are not happy with it. And not jut some random people, either. Er, the fucking lifeblood of this league, is not happy. I, the party who SHOULD be happiest about it, am not happy. The GMs of multiple teams, who should be happy to see an opponent weakened, are not happy.
A season ago, that might not have meant anything. But something has changed since then. You now get paid by the league to resolve issues. And this has not been a successful resolution. I think you know that, too, which I realized after it occurred to me that I was being...empowered to make my own decision.
For the record, I know that you did not make this decision on your own. Hell, I know you were kind of pressured to make this announcement because it didn't seem appropriate for a member of the Wraiths to make the announcement saying that the Wraiths weren't going to lose a player, though that decision appeared to have been made a couple of days prior to the announcement. It just took this long due to lack of availability on the rest of the HO, which is a problem.
However, being Head Office doesn't just mean making rulings. Listening is part of the job, and with good reason. While it would be dangerous to give in to mob mentality and blindly follow the loudest voices, making ALL decisions in a vacuum is equally irresponsible.
I urge everyone to check out my presser here. In it, I talk about MY perception of the bet, and the implications of the salary cap violations and resulting punishment. I mentioned a possible solution idea, but welcome feedback on the appropriate values or even other means of resolution. I ask that you read my rationale first. You'll see that I very much want to do right by BOTH teams involved and ask you to keep that goal in mind as you make suggestions.
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